2013 Front Office Options

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  1. sackexchange

    sackexchange Well-Known Member

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    There is a reason why good Front Office people avoid this organization like the plague.
     
  2. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

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    Jimmie Johnson.

    BOOM
     
  3. jilozzo

    jilozzo Well-Known Member

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    geezus everytime i see bradway having anything to do with the jets front office i cringe.

    i think back to the mike nugent - doug jolley charade and i cringe more.

    those gems gave me a permanent opinion of his personnel approach with the jets and while we havent drafted a kicker in round 2 since, our picks still from time to time reek of a bradway odor.
     
  4. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Going forward, this is the heart of it all. Cuts to the chase. Puts all the other secondary and tertiary considerations aside.

    The real problem with Woody is he's neither hands off nor smart enough about football to meddle with his team. Who would want to make a high profile move to become Jet GM and go into a situaton like that? One where you don't know what kind of situations will come up where Woody overrules you, yet you are responsible for the results on the field?

    As much as I think Tanny should go, I freely acknowledge I don't know what his actual level of responsibility is for the decisions made. No one here really does.

    Having said that, and not to digress, but he should still go since he's clearly not helping. Woody might well be wondering why he should defer to Tanny on some of the high profile roster moves, since he knows as well as we all do that Tanny is not really a football guy.

    Now I understand why Parcells left town. He saw what was coming.

    Bottom line, you have to wonder how to make a real change here. Short of Woody selling the team, I don't see a real football guy, anyone worried about his reputation, would want to work for Woody.
     
  5. Catt_County

    Catt_County Banned

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    The Jets need to clean house top to bottom on the football side. Kick Tannenbaum "upstairs" if need be. Get rid of the deadwood in the college scouting and pro-personnel departments. Hire a "football guy" as GM who isn't kowtowing to the whims of the HC when it comes to selecting players because he really doesn't know talent. Philosophically, a GM who values draft picks and makes judicious FA acquisitions is a better option than a wheeler-dealer type.

    I don't have any specific names, but I think some good places to look would be the Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Green Bay organizations. These teams haven't been in the playoffs almost continuously for the last decade plus by accident. They likely have assistants looking for promotional opportunities.

    I think Polian, Sr would be a bad choice. First off, while Bill Polian can build great teams, I seriously doubt that he can sustain them in the salary cap era. He also doesn't build particularly good defensive teams, NOT in Buffalo and NOT in Indy. Jim Kelly would have had at least 1 ring and Peyton would have 2 or 3 more if he had. Worse, I think he'd bring along his son, Chris, who screwed the pooch in Indy and was largely responsible for the Colts' serious lack of talent in recent years.

    I'm NOT sure that the Giants are that great an organization. When they actually make the playoffs, they seem to get it done, but they seem to miss the playoffs more than they make them. You can't make the argument that they haven't made the playoffs more because they're in a tough division because Baltimore and Pittsburgh are in the same division, and they make the playoffs almost every year, and almost always with 10+ wins.
     
  6. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

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  7. Catt_County

    Catt_County Banned

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    Parcells left because he always jumped ship before the shit hit the fan -- until Miami where he finally got canned. I'm NOT a Parcells fan. I think he was a charlatan who built his coaching reputation on Belichick's efforts: I don't believe he ever won a playoff game as a HC without Belichick running his defense. Belichick wasn't from the "Parcells coaching tree"; he was the root of Parcells' success. Tony Sparano is from Parcells' "coaching tree".

    As a GM, Parcells was mediocre at best, and the Giants were smart to send him on his way rather than give him more control.
    • Parcells built a decent NE team but then screwed them over on the eve of the Super Bowl by announcing he was leaving for NY. He tried to screw NE again over Belichick, but Belichick was easily worth a couple of first rounders.
    • Jets fans think Parcells was great because he had some good teams with the Jets, but in the end, he left them in the lurch, too, and his legacy of mediocrity continues with his admirers/buddies Tannenbaum and Sparano.
    • He did nothing much with the Cowpies, although I'm NOT sure how much say he had in player acquisition. I think Dallas made the playoffs a couple of times, but never won a playoff game under Parcells.
    • He is pretty universally hated by Dolphin fans for running that franchise into the ground before getting fired. The single wing/wildcat was his brilliant back to the future idea from a man who couldn't adapt to the modern NFL.
     
  8. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    Eric Mangini is an absolute football genius we need him back, give him full control of the personnel and a QB of his choice(something he never had when he was here)
     
  9. laxin

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    Eric Decosta?
     
  10. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    1. Fuck Polian. Do not even touch him with 10-foot pole. He is done.

    Remember why he was canned from Indianapolis. He relegated most of his responsibility to his son (who he was trying desperately to give his job to.) and his son failed miserably. Polian is very old man now - do you think he will have the energy to come back and do the job with his own hands? If that were ever the case, wouldn't he have tried that same thing when he still HAD a job in Indy?

    2. Charlie Casserly, is consistent with one thing; he sucks at it. He is about as good as Jets scouting department. Look at Texans drafting history under his guidance. Andre Johnson is ALL he has done for that franchise.

    (And he sucked as GM. 2nd and 3rd round picks for Phillip Buchannon? You have got to be out of your fucking mind.)

    3. Thinking outside the box could prove beneficial SOMETIMES. This team is shaken by the lack of fundamentals - Jets need people to strengthen the foundation once again.
     
  11. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    We need someone cutting edge, Woody needs to do some extensive interviews and really have guys come in with a plan to rebuild this team
     
  12. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Your hatred for Parcells led you to miss the point. The point is not how good or bad Parcells was as a GM. The point was he left when Woody bought the team because he didn't want to work for him.
     
  13. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Didn't he name his first son favre or something crazy? I'm pretty sure he had a say in that.
     
  14. jilozzo

    jilozzo Well-Known Member

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    i wouldn't quite go that far although he was/is a much better XO guy than edwards and is probably on par with ryan.

    have u forgotten his influence on the pick of gholston?
     
  15. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    I like this idea. Mangini did a good job with the draft. I'd give him a shot if he wanted the job.
     
  16. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    This is what you want in a GM:

    1. Young enough to still give a shit about his results. That means under 50. The guy has to be looking to create laurels to wear not basking in his accomplishments and showing off the ones he already has.

    2. From an organization that has proven that it can develop talent over a generational time frame. Not find one or two stars but keep the talent rolling year after year and keep the team elite in the process.

    3. From the personnel side of that organization. Nothing a financial guy does is going to improve the product on the field and there are a million guys you can hire to help the guy who knows talent keep the books straight.

    4. Willing to do a top to bottom organizational review and root out the factors that have held the Jets back in the past. You're not looking for a team player here you're looking for a team leader. Nothing the organization has done in the last 15 years should avoid review when the Jets go to the next regime.

    5. No history with the team or the AFC East. No scores to settle. No false markers to set. The guy has to come into this with his eyes wide open and needs to be able to take in everything with no preconceptions about how things are.

    6. Not a personality. GM's should be seen (standing alongside the owner as he hoists the Lombardi Trophy) and not heard. Organizations need to have one voice on the management side and in most cases that should be the head coach. GM's are back office and they need to stay there. If the general public can identify a GM by voice or face he's way over-exposed.

    The Jets are probably going to make a change at some point in the next couple of years. They need to get that change right because it is going to have repercussions on the team that last the better part of a decade.
     
  17. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I don't want Scott Cohen anywhere near this FO if Tanny gets canned. Shortly after we hired Cohen the Lito Sheppard trade happened. Nothing in terms of personnel improved since the guy entered the building, aside from trading for Braylon. This guy sucks.

    I'll do a little research later for possible replacements, but you probably can't go wrong stealing FO and scouting talent from Pittsburgh and Green Bay.
     
  18. Catt_County

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    Maybe ... or it was just time for Parcells to move on because he didn't keep Belichick.
     
  19. Catt_County

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    Excellent points.
     

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