Rich Eisen says the Jets wanted Irvin, wanted to trade up, panicked about trading draft pieces (they have so many misses the last 4 years) and did nothing.
Blows my mind the judgments being made above me. "Yes, I definitely think I can make an impact," Coples said. "It’s defintiely going to be great to give some guys a blow. I just want to be out there and take on some of those tacklers for the linebackers as well."
Rex: Coples playing time to 'go up' for Jets vs. 49ers By BRIAN COSTELLO Posted: 12:54 PM, September 27, 2012 Jets defensive lineman Quinton Coples has not played much in their last two games. Coples, the team's first-round pick in April, played 17 plays against Miami and 16 against Pittsburgh after playing 32 against the Bills. Jets coach Rex Ryan said that will change. "I'm sure his playing time will go up," Ryan said. "It's going to increase. He had his best day of practice yesterday. … After practice, I had him break us down. I think Q … I think he's ready to go. I believe you're going to see him a lot more."
Cant find link, but pretty sure profootballfocus posted on twitter the other day that the Jets have 3 of the top 7 run defenders (linemen) after 3 games. Wilk no.2, Coples no.3 and Devito no.7. Small sample size for Coples but encouraging none the less. I am also aware that this stat seems deceiving due to our poor run D thus far in the season.
You know as soon as you used the words profootballfocus, you lost credibitility. Are you aware that PFF have people grading NFL players who have never played a moment of football in their live, or have even BEEN to an american football game. People who are using the network feed to try and see the play. I think this fact points out the dicotiomy of PFF. If its true the Jets have 3 of the top 7 run defenders in the NFL. why is it that Jets have the 28th best team run defense. It makes no sense and neither does the accuracy of thos stats Stop trying to make excuses for Coples. I heard the same crap excuses about Ducasse when he was a rookie, Wilson when he was a rookie, etc The only reason he's not getting on the field is because he's not good enough yet. That the Jets have players whol are better than him. Deal with it.
That's bullshit. The only reason Coples isn't getting more playing time, is because Rex thinks he knows more about football than we do.
That's incorrect. Wilkerson is #2 and Devito is #5, but Coples is not even in the top 20. PFF is a good site that is respected by NFL players and coaches despite patfanken's rant. The problem with the Jets run defense hasn't been with the DE's.
The fact that some evaluators may not have attended or played an official american football game does automatically render their analysis redundant just as analysis provided by people who have played or attended NFL games does not make their opinions valid, as evidenced by your posts and forums in general. PFF is a well recognized across the NFL landscape and I'm sure is making use of all-22 video. I am not making excuses for Coples merely pointing out that in his brief playing time he has performed well. Why his playing time has been brief I cannot answer but we did hear that he was sick last weekend in Miami although you will probably not believe this. You arrogance in the above post seems to stem from the performances of the Pats defensive rookies early this season. However, as we well recently remember impressive rookie performances do not always indicate future success or even average performances in 2nd/3rd year i.e. McCourty, Merriweathe and vice versa obviously. I mentioned above that these ratings should be taken with the defences early struggles against the run but as you may have noticed, we have mostly struggled with outside speed runs and missed tackles on the second level which I believe identifies weaknesses with the linebackers and safetys moreso than the linemen.
Wrong. The All-22 for every game this season is available to anyone willing to drop 70 bucks on NFL.com GameRewind account
Yeah I'm having trouble finding the tweet so it is more than possible that I am completely wrong and these posts should be ignored. Maybe I'm wishing too hard for him to be a stud and am imagining these tweetshmy:
Found it but cant post link, full quote from 32 observations week 3 article on PFF site. "New York Jets: The Jets have three of the Top 7 3-4 defensive ends in Run Stop Percentage. Muhammad Wilkerson is second at 13.8, Quinton Coples at third at 13.0 and Mike Devito at seventh with 10.6."
Its not a rant, its a statement of fact. The FACT is that PFF is a European based operation made up mostly of accountants that has player rankers who are total amatuers, many of whom have never been to a game. They are making judgements based on the network feed (thought Abby's point about the coaches 22 is valid....IF they have it offered overseas....and will be a help to accuracy). You also have to concider they are making judgements WITHOUT real knowledge of what the actual asignments and responsibilities are. So someone who didn't know that info might blame an OLman for a sack who might have been covering up of a guy who actually blew the assignment. You giving someone a pressure is toatally subjective as is giving or not giving someone an assisted tackly. If you gave Maybin a "hurry" everytime he flies by the QB on his way down th field, he'd lead the league in hurries. Also they often have ineffective or q.uirky rating stats. For example in the year Brady was the unanimous MVP and had something like 40 TD's and 4 Picks, PFF had him as something like their 8th best QB....according to their stats. They do stuff like that all the time. I give them an A for EFFORT, but you can't say a a player's good because PFF ranked them highly OR one is bad because they didn't. Its just not an accurate enough system. At best it gives you an indication. Its one thing to use them as a talking point, but you have to do so with the understanding that there are a lot of flaws in their methodology, and you have to take those stats with more than a grain of salt. THey only got a rep with the public because, to their credit, they where the only site doing that kind of detailed kind of play by play, oerson by person break down, so lazy mediots were willing to cite any site who offered them stats....correct or not. Just sayin'
and when you add them together you get the 28th ranked run defense Don't you see the problem here Lir? Doesn't something seem a bit off here? Lets use just a modicum of common sense.
I think the problem is you're looking at there ranking system rather than the grading. Rankings are always going to be flawed - I'll bet if you look at the NFL's own ranking of QB rating for the Brady season you mentioned he's not #1. I don't bother with there rankings, the grading is good though. And again, NFL players and coaches have praised this site as being extremely accurate 99.98% I believe is what the coaches recently said it's accuracy was.
The Jets getting killed on the outside because our LBs are very slow. The D-line is probably the strongest unit on the defense now that Revis is out. The only thing that has annoyed me about the d-line is having Pouha and DeVito out there in passing situations when it is obvious that Ells and Coples should be. Wilk-Ellis-Coples=much better inside pass rush
LBs consistently getting to the hole late, or blown up, or missing tackles is the reason why they ranked 28th against the run.
rex addressed this. the team isn't forcing enough 3rd and longs so they are leaving the run stuffers in there because the offenses have are not in obvious passing downs. if we start seeing more 3rd and 6 or longer we will see more of coples
I would hope so. It's not like Coples is bad against the run either. He's actually pretty good against it.
Funny, for somebody who downplays the analysis on PFF, you seem to be using a basic, almost childlike, way to evaluate the Jets' defense. Care to expound, Mr. Expert? Or are you just going to troll and use Patriots analogies when talking about the Jets defense?
