Haters, Feel Free to Dispute These Numbers...

Discussion in 'Tebowmania' started by FakeSpike13, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. JET'S_my_name

    JET'S_my_name Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2012
    Messages:
    677
    Likes Received:
    0
    I gotta say, this is a good catch with the whole Eli/Sanchez vs Tebow/insert any QB here double standard thing.
     
  2. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2012
    Messages:
    2,463
    Likes Received:
    35
    My friend, if you believe that Tebow is regressing, then I submit that you really didn't see him passing very often last year. His mechanics have improved dramatically. Sure, there are still some flaws that can be worked on. He can shorten his motion even more and quicken his release. BUT, the important thing is that the ball is coming out of his hands nicely AND he's very consistent in his motion. His footwork when throwing in the pocket has improved as well.

    The only area that you could say that he has regressed would be throwing on the run / off his back foot. He used to be able to do this pretty well, but now he's having trouble with it. One can easily make the case that this is due to him not being completely used to his new mechanics and not having practiced those types of throws very much since fixing his mechanics this last off season.

    Now, please don't take those comments the wrong way. I AM NOT saying the Tebow is a finished product by any means. He still has things to work on and MUST get better at them. His mechanics ARE much better than last year, but they still need to improve. He is better at reading defenses, but he still needs to improve. He is better at seeing "NFL open" receivers, but he needs to improve. He definitely needs to improve on anticipation and throwing receivers open.

    Yep, lots of things that he needs to improve on, to be sure, but he is definitely throwing and playing the position much better than he did last year.
     
  3. Bannon

    Bannon New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2012
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    0
    Like Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Colt McCoy . . .

    I don't think Gabbert and Ponder have quite started 16 games, but the point is that the ones you selected are considered to have been pretty decent, not cherry picking the slow starters like Gabbert.
     
  4. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2012
    Messages:
    2,463
    Likes Received:
    35
    Wasn't me that picked them, but yep, that's it exactly. Including those guys would skew the numbers downward
     
  5. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2005
    Messages:
    8,389
    Likes Received:
    177
    I guess what I've been trying to get at is those QBs have developed and progressed and been supported by their teams. That's the point. If teams saw something in Tebow as a QB, he would also have already received both interest and support from not only the Broncos, but also other teams.

    So even if you want to show that Tebow and Sanchez (and other QBs) had similar stats in their first 16 starts, it doesn't tell the whole story, which is that one QB (Sanchez) is believed to have a bright future (as evidenced by his team sticking with him, guaranteeing him money, and keeping him as the starter) and the other QB (Tebow) has a very uncertain future at the position.
     
  6. TTTTebowAndTheJets

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2012
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    0
    All the more reason to be impressed with the numbers Tebow has put up despite The fact that he's had no organizational backing.
     
  7. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2011
    Messages:
    13,737
    Likes Received:
    595
    I think it stunted him a bit and will make his progression to a consistently great QB tougher. I would rather him sit even for 1/4 or 1/2 of a season.
    I think you can blame Mark for some of last year, but he probably doesn't fall into the top 3 and probably not top 5 reasons for the lack of success.
     
  8. gmp

    gmp New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2012
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    I can't remember. What completion percentage and QBR does he have? Cuz based on his other stats, he's getting screwed big time.
     
  9. TTTTebowAndTheJets

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2012
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    0
    Why don't you reread what I wrote 2 pages ago.
     
  10. catfish

    catfish New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2012
    Messages:
    558
    Likes Received:
    0
    I might disagree as to the level of support he got in Denver, I have heard more positive comments regarding Tebow in the preseason from Sparano than I heard all last year from the Denver FO. Remember Sanchez still has the FO that traded up for him, so there is some vested interest in keeping him around. I think Sanchez is a decent QB with room for improvement, but I think if a new FO gets put in he gets ousted and I don't know how high his trade value would be(not that I think a new FO is needed, or Sanchez should be ousted). What do you think his value would have been had Peyton gone to the Jets? Not trying to be a dick just trying to take a look from a different angle

    As to other teams being interested, I think there were a few that showed at least some interest, but the following Tebow brings would be a nightmare for pretty much any team. I would rather be in the Jets position re: backups than the seahawks

    Like I said before I am real happy with how the jets have treated Tebow so far, I feel he has shown more progress mechanically this offfseason than in 2 years with the Broncos. Overall he doesnt look to be improved, but if you compare little things like how much faster his release time is, and where the ball is at during his windup and how tight a spiral he is throwing you can tell the coaches have been working with him. I always got the impression that Denver threw him out on the field to go get Luck. Here if he doesnt improve it is all on him, because I really feel the coaches have his best interest in mind.
     
    #110 catfish, Aug 30, 2012
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2012
  11. TTTTebowAndTheJets

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2012
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    0
    This... all of this....
     
  12. Apple Jack

    Apple Jack Banned

    Joined:
    May 15, 2012
    Messages:
    178
    Likes Received:
    0
    Good synopsis of my thoughts too. The Jets seem interested in giving him every opportunity to get better. Last week's suckfest looked like Tebow being told to work on areas during games that don't matter. He won't get those sort of opportunities during regular season. He is a brillant running QB. Finds holes, patient, elusive as hell and strong as a bull. But he is so freaking uncomfortable under center. I'm not in the camp that believes a team should create a specific style of play strictly for Tebow's skillset. What if he goes down, who goes in? Tebow has to be successful within a style that allows backups to succeed. Team first.

    This is a make or break year for Tebow. He doesn't have to be completing 60%, but he has to show the ability to positively impact a team whenever he comes in. That's the only way teams in general (and the Jets in particular) will have the patience to let him develop (if he can develop).
     
  13. Bannon

    Bannon New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2012
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm also pleased with the amount of support he's getting as a Jet. This organization is top notch. A great environment for him.

    I think most important is the supportive statements Rex and Tony have made towards him. Tebow doesn't let his frowny face show when he's down, but I think that it is very important to him. He's always been a "fish out of water" player, and it seems like the most important thing for him is that his coach believe in him. He'll run through a brick wall for you if he just knows you think he can do it.
     
  14. JFjets

    JFjets New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2012
    Messages:
    511
    Likes Received:
    0
    There has been a night and day difference so far between the coaches in Denver and the coaches with the Jets with regards to how they speak about Tebow and the kind of verbal support they have given him when they speak with the media. Might have something to do with the fact that he beat both the Dolphins and the Jets last year.
     
    #114 JFjets, Aug 31, 2012
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2012
  15. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2004
    Messages:
    15,749
    Likes Received:
    2,361
    Is there a statistic that explains all those horrible reads/throws he made this preseason?
     
  16. Fightin'JetTitan

    Fightin'JetTitan Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2011
    Messages:
    643
    Likes Received:
    48

    He has every right to make any comment about Te(blow)me being a terrible
    qb just the sam as i have the right to say HE SUCKS!!!
     
  17. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,594
    Likes Received:
    4,970
    MMMM I thought the Broncos won those games.
     
  18. catsigater

    catsigater New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2011
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Course he does. But y'all shouldn't act like you don't care about Tebow.

    'cos you really, really do.

    Tebowphobes.

    Would be interested to hear your thoughts on the original post, though. If you have any.
     
    #118 catsigater, Aug 31, 2012
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2012
  19. vedmedv

    vedmedv Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2008
    Messages:
    253
    Likes Received:
    15
    Actually, tebow didn't win the jets-broncos game. He teamed up with sanchez. I believe it was sanchez that threw the first td pass for the broncos, then tebow scored the second td on the last drive. Correct me if i am wrong, but all the credit shouldn't go to tebow for that one. Show some love for sanchez.
     
  20. joolander

    joolander New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2011
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    0
    Tebow had a lot of luck past year. Luck is essential in the NFL.

    Sent from my VS840 4G using Tapatalk 2 Beta-5
     

Share This Page