Why, because Kenny got to play with Walker, Toon and McNeil? Or because Testaverde had Keyshawn Johnson, Wayne Chrebet and Curtis Martin? Or because Chad Pennington had Chrebet, Santana, Coles and Curtis? When you wake up and realize that when Sanchez got his deep threat, he improved significantly in his 2nd year with a diminishing run game. Then when he lost two of his top three targets last year with a diminished run game, his improvement was marginal. Something tells me, whenever Jets did well in the last couple of decades, a lot of the passing success depended on the ground game (Ken/Mcneil, Testaverde/Curtis, Pennington/Curtis). What you have seen so far this year, is that Sanchez is completing his passes, but he just doesn't have the time to throw deep. Three quarters, 80 passing yards. Big deal. We've seen it so many times that a QB can throw 120 yards in a couple of drives. I will criticize him after three weeks of regular season, not three quarters of preseason.
The poll is for 2nd best so no need to mention Joe and what impact did Toidd and O'brien have? Todd at least won 2 playoff games but he was so bad in our playoff losses and only led us to 2 playoff apps. Todd helped us get to and threw us out of the '82 title game and made such an impact that they drafted a QB in the first rd a few months later. "noodle arm" won only our 2nd ever AFC East title, led us to the playoffs 3 times and won playoff games in multiple seasons. Sanchez has helped us win 4 playoff games incluyding 4 road playoff games- more than we had in our history prior to him and his 4 playoff wins are DOUBLE the next best Jets QB. considering O'Brien played on more talented teams and didn't win a playoff game I'd disagree. Vinny 1998? Absolutely we have a shot, Vinny any other year besides '98? I doubt we beat SD. healthy Chad? yes we could have made the SB or at least the title game. Remember, the D blew both title games. We weren't outscoring Indy w/ any QB in 2009.
Going Todd as #3 discredits your opinion. What did Todd do that would put him ahead of either Pennington or Sanchez? I'm seriously curious.
None of those teams had a Rex Ryan defense. Plus despite the heavy number of 3 and outs from our offense, we've been in or near the league lead in starting field position differential the last few years. No one's saying he should have won it all last year, even if he should have been better. But I don't think people realize just how good the '10 team was. A bit inconsistent, but often thoroughly dominant.
Kenny O had Bud Carson's defense that had a dominant DL and very good LBs and Vinny T had Bill Belichick's defense.
There was nothing dominant about the 2010 defense, '09 was dominant at times but both years the D folded in big spots far too often to be considered great or dominant. In 1985 our D allowed 243 points In 2010 our D allowed 297 points In 2010 we made the AFC Championship Game defeating Peyton manning & tom Brady led teams on the road in 1985 we lost at HOME in the wildcard round to a Tony eason led Pats team
In BB's defense he had awful talent on D last year to go with all those injuries. Other then Wilfork and Mayo the rest of their D was garbage. Even McCourty who had a good rookie season looked absolutely dreadful last year. Still if you're a good defensive coach you never get the 32nd ranked D but he didn't have much to work with.
This is hard, because I feel Ken Obrien had the best arm of any Jets QB but Vinny was more successful than Obrien. I'm gonna go with Vinny. Chad and Sanchez are on par with each other and neither of them has the arm of Obrien or Testaverde.
And you don't think a great defense had an awful lot to do with that? You make an anti defense argument then a pro defense one. what's your stance here? I think you have too high of a standard for using words like great, elite, or dominant defenses. What you describe as the Jets not doing has only been accomplished a handful of times in history, and probably never again. In this age it's just unlikely to be able to build a defense that's so significantly bigger, stronger, faster than everything else out there. Big strong fast is now the normal. And points allowed is the worst possible way to judge a defense, as illogical as it sounds. 2011 is an amazing example of that for the Jets.
The only true comparison is between Vinny and Ken Obrien. Chad Pennington and Mark Sanchez aren't in the same class as these two elite quarterbacks. Ken Obrien could hit a reciever right on the numbers 60 yards away time after time after time. Vinny had a cannon for an arm and defenses had to respect that, and they DID! Mark Sanchez and Chad Pennington are "game managers"... they just "take care of the ball" and don't make any mistakes. You're not going to attack a defense with Chad Pennington or Mark Sanchez... To do that you need Namath, Obrien, or Testaverde back there. Basically Sanchez and Pennington would be scarcely used backups behind Namath, Testaverde, or Ken Obrien.
I mean really, when you think "ATTACK!" do you think "Mark Sanchez"? Do you think "Chad Pennington"? With Namath, Obrien, or Testaverde all you ever thought was "ATTACK!" on every single down... When these guys had the ball they were gonna burn you DEEP! REALLY DEEEEEEEP! And you knew it! Your DB's better bring their A-game against Ken Obrien and Vinny Testaverde, if you didn't... YOU PAID!
We had a better D in 1985 yet lost at home in the WC round so that kind of invalidates the D argument. No matter how good your D is(and we had a very good NOT great D in 2010) you have to have quality QB play to win consistently in january and 4-2 is winning consistently. 2011 is a perfect example, we were medicore in PA and "great" in YA but we all know how mediocre our D was last year so the PA was more accurate. The bottom line is this, Kenny had more talent around him in a weaker era for AFC football yet couldn't win a single playoff game including having a home game(which Sanchez has never had) and entering another game w/ a lead. If I'm trying to win the NFL QB challenge I'm picking Kenny or Vinny, if I'm trying to win games I'm picking Chad or mark(unless I can take Vinny '98). Arm strength and physical ability only take you so far, lining the 4 guys up in shorts and watching them throw you'd easily pick Vinny and Kenny but the game ismore complicated than that.
Let's not put Sanchez in the Chad category with his arm, either. He can make all the throws, he needs to be able to stand in the pocket and he needs someone to get open and catch it. Chad also had the two rotator cuff injuries, Sanchez has none of that.
:lol: Out of 37,000 posts/arguments, this is the worst one you've generated so far. You subjectively decided the Jets D in 1985 was better, so because they didn't win a playoff game, and the 2010 Jets won 2, the quarterback play had to be better overall and is thus is the most important factor in the playoffs. And because it's the most important thing, and Mark Sanchez won 4 of them, that makes him a quality quarterback. Holy crap, junc. I can counter that entire argument thusly: Tim Tebow won a playoff game last year.
The '85 D allowed almost 4 less PPG and just 7 more yds per game. I think it's safe to say the '85 D was better. O'Brien was awful in his home playoff loss to a WC team. Tebow won a single playoff game, how did he do the next week? his team was humiliated, has Sanchez's team been humiliated? Tebow also won a home playoff game in the thin air of mile high. The argument is solid, you just don't want to admit it. O'brien was our QB for almost a decade, had better talent much of those years yet zero playoff wins. I'm sorry if you judge a QB on a highlight film, I loved Kenny as a kid but give me Sanchez or Chad any day.
My argument is more that Sanchez is bad rather than Kenny was good. I'm also not saying that comparing the two or the two corresponding defenses isn't a fair fight, just the reasoning you gave last post was pretty terrible and was based on opinions used as assumptions. Also, Chad Pennington circa 2002-2008 would have won a super bowl on the 2010 Jets, almost unquestionably.
