I have to agree. This year showed that Eli is elite. That team had injuries all year long. Nicks missed a bunch, Bradshaw missed a bunch, plus numerous injuries on defense. He's the real deal and their offensive line as whole was better than ours. Eli was sacked 28 times, while Sanchez 39. Don't forget, Slauson was playing hurt and Ferguson was letting in sacks left and right. I'm not sure I agree with the rating system they use, because Ferguson gave up more sacks than Hunter this year, but I don't see him on the list. I couldn't find a way to pull up the entire thing. Anybody know what Brick ranked?
the #s may say that, but my eyes tell me differently...when #s and my eyes conflict I go with my eyes every time.
Diehl is a LT, and was going against elite Passrushers like Orakpo, Babin and Ware twice. While Hunter was embarassed by Rookie Dareus, Mark Anderson and Kendall Langford. Imagine Hunter playing LT blocking Ware, he would give up pressure on every play. Stats don´t always tell the complete Story.
Pretty sure Eli got sacked a bunch, he just made better plays under duress, compared to Sanchez who I believe was the worst in the league.
Are you fucking kidding me? Did u even watch the game? I understand its pre season and there isn't much game planning besides testing your own playbook, but the only thing a RT has to do is block. For WFH, there is no difference whether its preseason or regular season. For Mark Sanchez, there's a world of a difference. You don't show your hand in preseason. Sanchez played well in the last game. He didn't pass deep because he didn't have time. Everytime he looked deep, he got sacked. When he didn't look deep, he completed 9 of 11 with one drop, and one pass that was couple yards short and the defender made a good play at it. Big deal. I've seen Peyton do that. That too in the SB. Doesn't make him the "problem" and one preseason pass doesn't make Sanchez the problem. Next time, try watching the game.
But we still want one garbage to be replaced by another garbage? From what I see, Deihl was the worst LT in the game last year. But we want him to switch to RT because why? What happens when Tebow is on the field? Hunter becomes your blindside tackle and depending on the opponents game plan, he'll probably face elite DEs/OLBs. I still think we need to look at Otah again. Not sure exactly how bad he is, but vets minimum will be enough to bring him to the camp. We can dump him if he doesn't work out. Or we need to trade for an average RT and pay above average price. I honestly don't see the Jets doing anything this year with WH and I'm a glass half full type of guy. Hell, I supported Schotty for the most part in hopes of him becoming a good OC one day. I saw WFH play last game and it was just plain sad. I feel bad for him cuz I think he's a good guy. He's just not a good RT. Jeff Otah at 70% would be better than Hunter at 100%.
I think Hunter's problems were also exascerbated last year by the number of penalties he had against him. If I recall, he gave up just as many penalties as sacks, which is a huge number either way haha. A blocking TE or good pass blocking RB would help reduce the WFH problem a little, without truly fixing it. I truly hope the front office does get in some OL help, as well as that blocking TE either way. I'm concerned from what I've seen there, but I'm still optimistic about the season until the season begins. If things still haven't been fixed, the alarm bells are going off on that optimism for me.
The assault Sanchez was under is fairly overrated. The Jets total sacks allowed was only slightly above league average. When factoring in pressures, the Jets pass pro graded out middle of the pack. Not as though Sanchez is the most decisive qb back there either. Hunter is a poor player but many qbs had to deal with worse or similar protection.
Having seen every Giants game last season, I can tell you that Kareem got worse as the season went on. He was beat pretty soundly throughout the Super Bowl, and he was playing against some pretty average DEs and OLBs. Diehl is a guard by trade and that's how he plays the OLT position. He is a great run blocker and looked pretty good when he was next to Rich Seubert and the Giants ran the ball to the left frequently. He also pass blocked in space about as well as you would expect a guard to do. He could NOT handle speed rushers, but did pretty well against bull-rushers. Eli was under pressure a LOT last year. Remember that the starting center and LG combination changed a lot and Chris Snee (our best OL) was playing with a shoulder injury last year. Eli was under pressure most of the season and, statistically, was the best QB under pressure.
I say this all the time to Giants fans, and it absolutely amazes me how ignorant they are of their own SB XLII "drive" that won the game... go watch that drive... Eli was absolute garbage on that drive almost throwing 2-3 INTs and then unnecessarily heaving the ball up between 4 Pats defenders on a 3rd and 5! The Giants D-line won that game. Give them the credit (and SB MVP) and quit BSing us about Eli. Yes, he's a very good QB now, but he's not "Elite" and he's not Peyton, 2 SBs or not.
Eli is a better QB than Sanhez. Eli has much better receivers than Sanchez. Whether Eli's o-line is better or worse is debatable. What isn't debatable is that Sanchez can't throw the ball to players that can't get open. That is why Burress and Mason are no longer with the team. The Jets FO failure to provide a consistent structure around Sanchez, instead of playing musical chairs at WR, has been one of the greatest problems in his development. Ever wonder why Keller is always looked at by Sanchez? The easy answer is that he can't read through his progressions or look-off his first read. I am sure there is some truth to that. The harder answer is that Keller is the only receiver he can rely upon based upon 3 years of continuity and practice.
Pretty much summed it up. Hunter single-handedly killed all but, IIRC, one of our drives. Forgetting the pass protection fails, he didn't block a single person on our 4th and 1 handoff to Conner... and guess who helped stuff the run? Yea, the guy he whiffed on...
Great point, Dave. We all agree that Hunter has been brutal - but how have the Jets allowed one bad player submarine their entire o-line and offense?? I know it puts extra pressure on the other linemen to cover for him, but still 2/5 are supposed to be pro-bowlers.
I keep reading these threads and shaking my head, What are the JETS options. How can this be fixed. Who can we bring in and upgrade the RT without selling the farm. Possilby trading a pic away cause we dont have the money to spare.. YET I also think didnt we win 8 games last year, its not like we win 4 or 5. I say lets see what Howard can do and wait for the cuts to begin from other teams. Go Jets
The Giants went 9-7 in the regular season. They were a .500 team as late as the end of Week 15. They weren't much better than the Jets were, and they had to beat them to make the playoffs
Gilbrides offense was designed to be light years better than Schotty's and took more risks downfield. Comparing apples to oranges.
