The less the journalists know, the less the opposition knows as well. You can look at this from many different angles. The truth is, however, Mangini is going to be judged by wins/losses not how happy he makes the journalists.
oh I agree, but he hasnt won anything yet. If he wins a ring or two he can say whatever he wants to anyone for all I care, but he hasnt yet.
True, but they are going to need more than their feelings being hurt to rip the guy. They haven't even played a single preseason game and they are wetting their panties already. It is going to get really stupid quick in the NY media. lol
In addition, Mr ED-wards handed out to the media a press sheet declaring "who the Jets are" after week 1 last year...remember that? The first thing on the list is "we run the ball to win" I could see BB up in new england yelling to his coaches..."hey..they are going to start running all the time again!! haha" After the last 5 years of knowing everything from what play we would run on offense...to the color of Kool-Aid, if Mangini wants to keep secret whether or not the Jets plan on showing up for the game week 1...thats cool with me. He has a long leash...the kind you tie to a hook in the ground that allows the dog to go in to the neighbors backyard.
I understand your logic and feelings on all of this, but I look at it this way: The Jets can't fire each and every staff member and gopher and mail clerk and landscaper that worked at Hempstead during the Edwards regime - which was by many accounts a free-flowing fountain of information and 'anonymous sources'. They take the good with the bad. Obviously, they will have to be a little tight-lipped (or a lot in this case) about many issues in order to see what real issues see the light of day, and deal with those information leaks. Mangini learned the information trade from Belichick closely, and we are seeing Mangini's version of it. It is a staple in warfare tactics and that is exactly how the Parcells coaching tree treats the league, like an ongoing war. It may be overbearing... but I think eventually, once the organization feels secure with how their info is being contained, the vice will relax a bit.
Does anyone really care about the quotes from coaches and players in articles...unless they are extrodinarily interesting? I mostly just like to read info about who is playing well/poorly and other facts that we may not have access to.
Not usually, no. Most of the time it is some sanitized politically correct statement that is given by 99% (notice I account for Herm) of HC league wide. When are they unusually candid about anything? Very rare. When they are, I'm sure I won't miss it. It will play on every station morning, noon, and night.
Truthfully, I think the writers hate Mangini's silence because it effects their job performance. It's these writers' job to report to us or to shed light (if any) on a situation concerning the team. Now that they can't recieve as much team information as they want, they dont know as much and thus can't write as much or tell the fans something we dont know. I can see why they're upset, but I can't stand reading articles bitching about why they can't get info from Mangini.
I'm pretty sure I heard the exact same whining when Coughlin was hired for the Giants, and now the media and players love the guy. The media is stupid, best to ignore them.
well said Steviep You sum up my feelings on this issue...the media needs a hook and since Mangini makes it hard on them...they make it difficult back....and we will get to see how well and for how long being a strong-handed coach will work for Mangini...lastly...Im just happy that Herm proved himself a quitter and I know Eric won't "Play to tie the game"(ok last time im sayin it)
As you may know, Charlie Weis is being ripped in South Bend for running the same type of organization that Parcells/Bellichick/Mangini are running. Goes with the territory when you don't cater to the media. And like Charlie, I don't think Mangini is losing any sleep over any of this.
I don't know why, but this topic has held my attention for a few days now. I need to say I am also cautious to write opinions and thoughts like this but I felt the need to. I think the majority of fans feel the same way of the NY medias' "kneejerk" reponses like I do for otherwise than exiciting news content of Mangini's blanket tactics on training camp so far. Basically threating Mangini and putting him on notice in an unusually very short period of time. Somehow, the humor of officially posting an alphabetical depth chart was lost amongst the pride of the writing corps and instead of the incident briniging out laughter and promoting a casual atmosphere, possibly lossening up the tension, it brought out a persistant, inflamed arrogance, wreaking across NY sports columns alike. One would wonder if the NY sports media had stock in the NY JETS organization with the way they are out spoken of the HC's performance so far. Sometimes even the media doesn't know when enough's enough. It's that or they can't recognize a good laugh if it bit them on the you know what. Instead of having patience to wait and see how and if this is a viable plan that Mangini is instituting at Hoftra, they already trying to predict the future and threatening with doom and gloom tactics if he doesn't succeed. It seems the media is pushing the new young head coach around to rattle his cage. Send him a message if you will. Is that ethical? Yes, I know it's their livelyhood to write stories and keep the public informed. We would be in a dark world without them for sure. The media has in the past uncovered and foiled many a plot. From Watergate to Steroids the media has been there reporting just the facts, thank you. But when the media starts to posture and pound on it's chest looking for attention or sway public opinion then I think it has become something far from what it was intended to be. There are certain ethical boundaries the writers must restrain themselves to. When they start to demand a certain order or condem things that would upset the news gatherers themselves on a personal level, well, that's a horse of a different color. There might as well be editorials on every page. And who would want a world like that. Sometimes I think the press needs to hear from the public themselves as to how they feel about their own work indeed. And that's what I find on these message boards. I am glad to be apart of it. This freedom I hold dear. I am very pleased at most all of the reaction in these last few days to the NY press's latest on Mangini. Not that it matters but it is refreshing to me. I'm not a Mangini lover at all but I am willing to wait patiently and see what these next few years hold in store for me as a fan. But the press is the press and if there is one thing admirable about them is that they stick together. That is why they are a strong bunch. But we are talking about sports here and the reason I even started writing this post was because of a Cleveland article I found where the writer defends his compadres and gives reason to the caos of the Belichick exit. Something we are all curious about. And also something that paints a picture into what Mangini saw first hand which is why I feel confident he will not have as bad as his mentor. I think he is too smart for that. He has seen a lot and if he could put it all together this will be a magic carpet ride for sure. If you read this far I appreciate your patience. I would also tell you to pat yourselves on the back for speaking to press in your own way using that freedom of speech I hope you never take for granted. :up: Here's the link: http://browns247.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=164&Itemid=2 :jets:
You don't "Earn" a right to coach a team a certain way. This is why I hate the Media. You coach the way you think you'll get the results. EOS.
I agree completely. He obviously has "earned" the right to treat his players the way he wants (within the rules, of course) - that's what being the coach means. On the other hand, he has no reason to be upset with the writers not liking it and trashing him. As far as I know, he isn't upset, so there's really nothing to talk about. Ultimately all that matters are wins, but it's already obvious that no one (including the fans) should believe anything they hear from this front office. Having Pouha walk around camp with an apparently season-ending injury telling people that he's fine shows that this Jet team does not feel the slightest need to tell anyone what is actually going on.
OK so if he did give out an assload of information and went 2-7 they wouldn't rip him? That's about as likely as the moon colliding with the earth in the next 36 hours. Giving out more information only ensures you'll be 2-7.
I see some great posts on this thread, the best thread I have seen so far. As far as injuries go, unless you have a replacement for Pouha asap let Tannenbaum do his work and look under every rock..do you think Belichick is trying to find out every little thing going on in Camp Mangini to give him an edge against the Jets in week 2??..you bet BB is!! In the NFL it's about wins and losses, I think the all access all the time that Herm allowed is really affecting the beat guys..tough luck..I feel like we have a REAL NFL head coach now in Mangini, players are held accountable ,as I'm sure everyone in the organzation is and thats how it should be, all leaks in the Jet organzation have been plugged..Mangini has to run the ship his way, not by the whims of the NY media Quote " I'd rather fall on my face, then on my back". :jets:
