Does the offense have to be anything more than average?

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  1. AlToonFanClub

    AlToonFanClub New Member

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    What was the offense ranked last year? Why should we expect Top 15 Offense from this team?
     
  2. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    YPG - 25th
    Pts/G - 13th
     
  3. AlToonFanClub

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    Wow, thanks. Higher than I thought....makes me feel a little better.
     
  4. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    Last year was weird considering the year before. 2 seasons ago the Jets would settle for field goals and struggle in the red zone. Last year we were amazing in the red zone but we really struggled to get there. Hoping having a deep threat back will help stretch the field and we might be able to get some big plays again. We lacked that so much last year.
     
  5. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Probably because we still had a good defense & special teams to get us good field position and the best red zone efficiency in the league. What a shock, we add a consultant to one part of the offense and it's the only part that shines. Schotty rules.
     
  6. b.reyes16

    b.reyes16 Well-Known Member

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    You obviously haven't watched the same team. Even if you didn't watch any of his 9 fourth quarter comebacks or 11 game winning drives, you had to have watched the 2009 and 2010 playoffs. I mean come on.
     
  7. AlToonFanClub

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    It goes without saying the biggets unknow is the Wildcat ( why is a wildcat with a QB under center). Very curiuos about the secrecy and the plan for the Regular Season, I hope for some wrinkles...
     
  8. WarriorRB28

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    I expect greatness from the offense if not with Sanchez at QB with Tebow I'm sick of the excuses get it done already.
     
  9. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    We just need ball control and eat up time of possession. We are not built to outscore teams, solid running and timely shots down the field. We can be around 14-16 range as far as offense IMO. Just as long as the running game is effective, we'll be fine.
     
  10. PatsFanTX

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    In order to do that, the Jets need to drastically improve on their 3rd down conversion attempts.

    Last year the Jets converted only 34.7% of their 3rd downs.

    Can't control the ball if you are always giving it up.
     
  11. Zach

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    But it ain't his fault. He is not to blame. You didn't know that yet?

    It sure helps, but remember. League average is 38% on 3rd down. (Yes. Jets offense sucked in general, converting through the ground and the air at the same efficiency of ~35%) Almost 60% of 1st downs come from 1st downs and 2nd downs. In case of the prolific New Orleans offense, about 71% came from 1st and 2nd downs. (Total 1st down converted was 416, 3rd down was converted into 1st on 118 occasions, and they converted 3 4th down attempts - that's nearly 300 1st downs from 1st and 2nd. Jets? 223. Still a lot more than conversion through 3rd and 4th (78) but you know this offense is not going anywhere if your offense is getting less than 19 1st downs per game. 21 1st downs a game will put you within top 10, barely. To be a prolific offense, you'd want more than 23 a game.)

    And drastically improving 3rd down conversion ratio results in: (taking straight from last year's stats)

    Say, going from 35% to 40% (5% increase) results in paltry 19.5 1st downs a game. (Still aggressively mediocre.)

    35% to 50% (You know this is just not happening by the way) -> Then Jets get somewhat less than 21 1st downs a game. (By the way, this is, in terms of efficiency, equivalent to improving 1st down and 2nd down efficiency by mere 10%.)

    True, Jets need to do A LOT better than 35%, but they need to improve their offense on 1st and 2nd downs considerably to even consider contending.

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    (I don't know why nobody even mentions how horrid Jets have been on these two; but then Schottenheimer is not to blame so I don't know where the blame goes to other than the execution joke.)
     
    #71 Zach, Aug 17, 2012
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    Great post, especially you last comment about 1st and 2nd downs.
     
  13. jerseyjay14

    jerseyjay14 Well-Known Member

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    we need to be better then bottom 5 or 6. and top half in protecting the football.

    im not convinced either is realistic, especially if holmes isnt healthy

    our defens was actually really good last year. if you remove the touchdowns our offense allowed our ppg ranking is alot better and we also had by far the most number of drives against of any nfl team.

    last year our offense screwed our d. hope that changes. not super optomistic
     
  14. wildaces

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    We need, and have ever since Ryan came on, a T.O.P offense with a strong running game, and smart QB play (no turnovers). Simple as that.
     
  15. CJLang

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    This is not your dads NFL, you need some offense to win, unless you have the 86 Bears D or the Ravens 2000 D, and the Jets D is not anywhere that good.

    Not saying they won't be top 10, because they probably will be, but not all time great.
     
  16. Br4d

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    The Jets aren't going to win the Super Bowl with a average offense and a great defense. It just isn't happening.

    The Steelers did win a Super Bowl with that situation but the year they won was a big down year for an otherwise good offense. It was a great year for their defense. The offense was capable of playing much better than they had during the regular season and they scored 71 pts in 3 playoff games and benefited also from 2 defensive scores.

    For the Jets to win a Super Bowl they're going to need the ability to score a lot for that game along the way way when they run into a top offense. They won't need to do that in every game because the defense will win some games for them but they'll need it by the AFC Championship Game if they're going to get over that hump.
     

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