The reason that Giants line is so dominant is not just about Pierre or even Tuck or Osi, it is the fact that have 4 play makers and line depth. There are probably better pure rusher Defensive ends, but those guys on that line are impossible to block. None of them would be overly dominant on a team with no good interior D-Linemen. A good interior in Buffalo is a big reason that Mario never visited another team. True the cash was sick, but that dude wants to produce and with the interior of the Bills line as good as it is, he realizes he can be dominant. So can Anderson or anyone lining up opposite those three men. I do not claim to think that the Bills line will be the Giants, I mean that line is crazy to be able to do what they have done to all-world Tom Brady in two super bowls, but if they can approach that level, it will make that defense a shitload better.
FYI - 1. Koppen - C 15+ games 2. Connelly - C 4 games 3. Wendell - C 2 games 4- Mankins LG - 3 games 5 Light - LT - 2 games 6. Volmer - Volmer - 7 games This also doesn't count Cannon who missed the first 8 games coming back from cancer, but he only started one game. For example when Koppen was hurt in the first quarter of the opener, Connelly moved to C and Waters replaced him at RG. When Connelly was hurt for 4 games Wendell came in at C, and when he was hurt McDonald started 2 games Every name listed was a starter when he got hurt. Only Brian Waters started and played the entire year. Solder also played the entire year but he only started 12 games in the regular season playing RT, LT, RG, and TE IIRC the worst dislocation came against the dolphins. Just before the game Light hurt his ankle and couldn't go. Mankins was moved to LT, because Volmer was also out so Solder had to play RT - THEN in the first series Mankins gets hurt so Solder went to LT and Cannon, who had been a G up to that point had to play RT. Some guy they had signed just a couple of week before played LG, I can't remember who. Believe me it was ugly for the first quarter. Its one thing to lose a player to an injury and have a week to get the next guy up and ready, its quite another to have to replace 2 starters on the fly within the first 5 plays of the game, especially when the other 2 guys are a FA picked up in the middle of the season and rookie coming back from cancer. Yet the Pats managed with that unexpected patchwork OL to create enough offense to overcome a 20 point Dolphin lead and win going away. Now THAT is good coaching. My question to you Junc, is if the Jet had had to go through a similar situation could their offense survived? If the 2 games that they missed Mangold are any indication, clearly it wouldn't. AND are you much better off this season?
The Jets don't have a HOF QB so, no, they wouldn't have. And I just looked at Matt Light - seems he only missed one game last year?
did you want all 3 C's to play 16 games? The only big loss was Koppen. You don't have Ol the caliber of mangold and brick, if we lost those guys it would be worse but the others we could have w/stood. Brick had a down year- will he have 2 in a row? I don't think so. we are better at LT Slauson is healthy which he wasn't last year- better at LG Mangold id healthy so he should be back to his AP self- better at C Moore is healthy entering the season- should be better at RG Hunter- can he be as bad as he was? Remember 2 years ago this startingOL went into NE and he;ped the O score 28 pts in the div rd. I THINK we are better, would I have liked an upgrade at RT? of course but overall the health and the committment to the ground again will help this Ol look much better than it was last year. Let's not act like the Jets haven't overcome injuries the last few years.
Team won lost record is, just like the name indicates, a team stat, not an individual one. Do you think the Bills have superior players overall except at Qb?
no. However I think they may be better than the Jets in several areas. Clearly this is all talk until the real games start.
I don't think anyone in this thread did that. I think we agree with the evaluation that he has poor mechanics and doesn't have a great arm. The hope is that the work he is putting in on his mechanics will translate to the field but we understand that's no guarantee.I'm more surprised that Jet fans think Sanchez is on another level. Both have been mediocre players. You can trash stats as much as you like but they are part of the evaluation. It's no coincidence that the only qbs who have finished below Sanchez in completion percentage in any given season the last 3 years were either fringe players or rookies. Or the players that finished a couple of points above or below Sanchez in qb rating are largely considered mediocre to below average qbs. That is what Sanchez is. And maybe he does turn into the next Eli or Brees, but that's certainly far from a guarantee.
Please, man, you sound ridiculous when you make remarks like this. The Pats were forced to go FOUR deep at the C position last season and did it much better than the Jets who failed to go even 2 deep with any success. Light was a world ahead of what Brick did last season, by any measurement. Mangold is the best C in the league. Mankins is one of the best OG's, what's your point. Sounds like a "my dick is bigger than yours" argument. BTW- Solder, in the end will be better than BOTH Light and Brick You'd better hope that Brick's season last year was just a hiccup and not the start of a TREND. Lets just see who has the better LT when the season's done. Tell me you just didn't say that Slauson was better than Mankins. C'mon Junc, your credibility is eroding fast. Is this the same Slauson who just to a 20% pay cut just to make sure he wouldn't be cut. Hey this must be the exception that proves the rule That MIGHT be true today, but not if Waters returns....and you know that. Now you are getting really desperate and even Jet fans are laughing at you. Cannon is a better RT than Hunter is right now, and he's the 2nd best RT on the team. You still have managed to dodge the question I asked in my last post. What would have happened to the Jets offense if they had lost the number of starters that the Pats lost, just last season? And how are you better? Outside of the no name back up OT you got off the scrap heap, who is new. Moore is another year older, Slauson at his best is just average, and now he comes with an injury risk, D'Brick is a question mark, and once again you have nothing in proven back ups across the board. Actually when you compare their injury situation to most of the rest of the league, you really haven't. Do you really think the Jets could overcome losing 2 of their top 3 CB's by the 2nd game. The Pats had to. Do you think they could overcome losing their top 2 interior pass rushers before the season started. The Pats had to last season. Could the Jets afford to lose their starting C for the entire season....and then lose the back up....and the back up.....and the back up. I don't think so. Just what were the injuries the Jets had to overcome last season? So what you lost your starting safety for half the season, so did the Pats. And you know whats really funny is that I'm just mentioning the Pats because I happen to know some details. There were several teams in the NFL who had even WORSE injury situations....including the Bills. Off the top of my head the only 3 losses I can think of over the last 2 season was the couple of games Woody missed, the 2 games Mangold missed, and the 2 times Leonard was lost. That's NOTHING. I'd trade that in a minute. You have no idea how lucky the Jets have been recently. You better hope they stay that lucky because if they don't they'll be hard pressed to stay ahead of the Phins, and Tanny will have ANOTHER opportunity to miss on a high draft pick.
You can't say 4 different guys missed time, other guys were playing so they all couldn't play 16 games and all didn't miss those games. Only 1 could play at a time. Light is a good LT, he's not better than Brick. I wasn't comparing your OL I was saying we'd be better in 2012. That was all comparison to our Ol in 2011. I have to go, I will respond to the rest tomorrow.
He wasn't comparing the 2 O-Lines he is saying why our O line will do better this season. A healthy Slauson means we will be better at LG than last season. At least thats what I think he was talking about. You're talking about the last couple of years? Those were not our only injuries. Rob Turner out for entire season. Revis has missed playing time with a hamstring injury. Jenkins missed basically the entire season. Lito Sheppard and Donald Strickland injuries in 09. Greene's always getting banged up. Brian Thomas missed the second half of the season. Pace has missed time. Bart Scott I think has missed time.
That's not much of a response, Long Time. It not just about Brady (though it helps) They proved that conclusively in 2008. BTW- I checked on Light and its true they have him starting 15 games at NFL.com. However I know know that while he was supposed to play game 15 against the Phins he didn't, and I'm pretty sure he didn't play against the Bills in the last game. I can only conclude one of 2 things. First, because he was supposed to start game 15 they gave him credit for it, OR my memory if faulty and he came back the next week and played a series in a meaningless game against the Bills and I forgot. Shoot me, for my lack of attention to detail. But one less game doesn't change the point.
In 2008 the Patriots were coming off a 16-0 regular season. They had much better pieces around the QB then including a much much better defense. If the Patriots lost Brady last season they would have been close to Indianapolis Colts bad.
That would be hard to fathom. BB is the best coach in the NFL, I remember last time Brady went down, I was so sure they would have a hard time getting to .500.
This is why I can't take you seriously. The author has literally watched every single game of Mark Sanchez' career, and it's pretty safe to say he probably reviewed every pass Mark Sanchez threw in 2011 before he wrote that article (which he's been doing with other QBs throughout the summer.) He also watches the games through coaches tape, so he's in position to understand the play calls and coverages Sanchez has been facing, which is something nobody on this board can say. He's also been doing this for over 20 years, so I'm guessing he knows what he's talking about. Why don't you just admit what your real problem with this article is? It's obvious you (and a great number of people on this board) will immediately discount anybody that writes something critical about the team, or one of the players you like. Wanna know why the Jets were 1st and 4th in rushing attempts for Sanchez' two years? Because the Jets coaching staff knew they had the best chance of success if they took the ball out of his hands. Then in 2011 they were forced to ask him to be a bigger and more important part of the offense, and the offense took a step back.
Oh please Id have no problem if the article wrote how the Buffalos hbs were better than ours, or if their DL could have a bigger impact than the Jets this season. But they wrote that the some scrub qb who is 30 years old and had the #1 pass protecting OL in the league (#2 by others account) yet led the league in ints is somehow superior to Sanchez. I have no problem admitting that there are some guys on the Jets that are inferior to other teams. But Fitz is a fucking joke and I havent seen anthing that proves otherwise. And why were the Jets #1 in rushing attempts with Sanchez as a 1st/2nd year player? Probably has something to do with young qbs generally struggling and rarely making it far into the playoffs. Which is why the Jets made it to the AFCCG in back to back years. How many rookie qbs come in guns a blazing AND have their team win at least 1 playoff series ? Maybe when Fit'z best career year is him leading the league in ints while having the best pass protection in the league we can talk Til then hes fucking trash At least Sanchez's only terrible year was as a rookie, since then hes been capable of throwing more tds than picks.
