Both Decker and Thomas were in the bottom 15 of ALL nfl receivers in drops , so out of 94 receivers that qualified look where they ranked , 77th and 84th! ..... I think I read Tebow needed only 1.88 more completions per game to be at 55% ( not sure can someone verify ?) http://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...e-2011-which-receivers-are-dropping-the-ball/ Rank Name Team Catchable Receptions Drops Drop Rate 91 Arrelious Benn TB 38 30 8 21.05 90 Dane Sanzenbacher CHI 34 27 7 20.59 89 Danario Alexander SL 32 26 6 18.75 88 Greg Little CLV 75 61 14 18.67 87 Brandon Gibson SL 44 36 8 18.18 85 Donald Driver GB 45 37 8 17.78 86 Ben Obomanu SEA 45 37 8 17.78 84 Eric Decker DEN 53 44 9 16.98 83 Brian Hartline MIA 42 35 7 16.67 82 Devin Aromashodu MIN 31 26 5 16.13 81 Roy E. Williams CHI 44 37 7 15.91 80 Jerome Simpson CIN 59 50 9 15.25 79 Brandon Marshall MIA 95 81 14 14.74 78 James Jones GB 44 38 6 13.64 77 Demaryius Thomas DEN 37 32 5 13.51 76 DeSean Jackson PHI 67 58 9 13.43 74 Devin Hester CHI 30 26 4 13.33 75 Mario Manningham NYG 45 39 6 13.33 73 Santana Moss WAS 53 46 7 13.21
That's what happens when you have a shitty qb throwing wobbly off target ducks all the time. Won't happen this year.
You obviously didn't watch those games. Yes, Tebow threw his share of bad passes, but "drops" are by definition balls the receiver should've caught. Decker and Thomas are young and will improve and they aren't to be blamed for all Tebow's passing struggles. He has to get better. But there's no doubt they contributed.
I'm still convinced that a large part of the problem was Mike McCoy. Thing is, this coming year won't tell anyone anything because Peyton Manning is the de facto OC and will run whatever plays he wants.
Decker said that TT passes were a challenge to catch He did accept the fact that he dropped too many. However - let's see what happens with PM.
Not making excuses. Tebow is a subpar passer. He was also throwing to receivers who were subpar in the drops department. You can make the argument that some of that was on the QB, but I don't think you can make the argument they didn't drop plenty of passes a more experienced receiver would've caught. I fully expect them all to improve this year.
Tebow attempts = 126 Tebow completions = 271 Tebow completion %= 46.5 Drops = 14 Adjusted Tebow completion % assuming none of those drops occur = 51.66% Observations: 1) 51.66% is still bad 2) You didn't confirm that all 9 of Decker's drops occurred while Tebow was throwing 3) If you're talking about 94 WR's then 77th isn't in the bottom 15.
No quarterbacks had wrs without drops. I understand that some of the drops were horrible and how significant each completion is to Tebows completion percentage. His low % was a combination of throwing for very high YPA, being inaccurate, having no training camp or 1st team reps to develop chemistry with his teammates, and lastly drops. Despite the long list of excuses, if his completion % was in the 50s it still proves he is an inaccurate qb who needs and will improve with time and practice.
you did not see Denver games last year apparently . Setting that glaring fact aside if the pass can not be caught it does not count against the reciever . Vanderbilt, I appreciate your observations but they really do not mean much . Whether it was Tebow, Orton or the tooth fairy that threw the passes they were still dropped . They were in the bottom 15 of the list provided and being 77th and 84th can not be considered good by any stretch . I agree 51.66 is still bad but my question had nothing to do with your answer. My question was basically how many more completions did Tebow need to be at 55% not " what percentage would it have been if there were no drops" The negativity on this forum is astounding considering the guy is a Jets player. Everyone wants to tear up real statistics if for nothing else to make sure there is absolutely no light at the end of any Tebow tunnel. It has gotten to the point where you really can not post anything , even something that would potentially show a future upside for Tebow , without the negativity exploding out of the wood works. In fact we are more than 5 post in to thread , shouldnt Tebow's religion or sexuality be attacked right about now?
The point is not to blame someone else, or to bootstrap Tebow into a Hall of Famer with one statistic. But, the completion percentage has been singled out, over and over (and particularly by Jets fans on this forum) as conclusive proof that Tebow cannot play QB in the NFL. That being the case, the drops become relevant -- drops are always there, for every quarterback. But if there were an above average number of drops, then that one statistic (completion percentage) is affected. It's encouraging news for supposed Jets fans -- his completion percentage might just go up if he keeps playing and keeps working.
I saw plenty of Denver games and I've explained to you tebois the obvious about this on several occasions. Just because a pass is deemed "catchable" doesn't mean it was an on target spiral. You can force a receiver to slow down and hit him on the back shoulder with a wobbly duck as a defender is about to smash him and it's considered "catchable". You won't see shit like that often with Peyton Manning. Luckily, the Jets are smart enough to identify Tebow's strengths as a football player and use him in specific situations that won't rely on him consistently being an NFL caliber passer. Every fucking QB in the league has drops! Get over it! Tebow has more because he throws a lot of shit bag passes. but but but tebow passed for over 300 yards against the steelers.
I just don't think I'll ever understand it with this guy. People treat Tebow as if this is the best he will ever be and he is incapable of getting better yet is compared to Peyton Manning and the like. But all these other QB's get years and years and no one says a thing. Just like Gabbert. I think the dude is terrible right now. That doesn't mean he will never get better. Tebow is cheap, and a beast in the ground game...and IMO capable as a back up especially in a ground and pound offense. He's an asset and I'm happy he's going to contribute.
