The other DE - Even with DeVito as the incumbent starter I think this has to be Coples spot to lose. DeVito will likely slide inside when we move to four+ man fronts but I suspect Coples will be the guy they want to see bookended with Wilkerson for the most part. Does anyone else even compete for this spot? ROLB - Bryan Thomas is the incumbant starter coming off a major injury and doesn't seem to have a heck of a lot of competition. Demario Davis, Maybin and Ricky Sapp will probably compete for snaps on passing downs, but I don't see any of them taking the spot on all three. The biggest competition will likely be between Maybin/Davis/Sapp for snaps on passing downs. I see Maybin as winning that. SS - Looks like Bell, Allen and Smith will compete here. I think Smith might have a leg up on Bell as he knows the system inside and out. We shouldn't underestimate Smith's smarts here - it could well be the difference in him being a starter over someone else. FS - uhhh - Josh Bush vs. ? I guess Bell is going to have to be considered a FS. This scares me. Edit: forgot landry is on the pup so i guess he won't play a role in training camp battles. double edit: shit - so is demario davis, so Scott is definitely the ILB out of camp.
I read that Davis was on the PUP list so if they are starting camp on PUP, you have to give the nod to Scott. We need Jimmy back at FS. It's our best option at this point.
LMAO!!! I think you can stop wondering. At FS, I would not be surprised to see the Jets put both Smith and Bell on the field at the same time. Let's see if they try that.
I would not want CRO in the slot. With his size and speed he should be forcing his reciever to the sideline (hard to throw over thoese long arms. Cro would get destroyed in the slot! K-DUB is the ideal slot corner, he has lateral quickness.
Do you want Cro as the last line of defense between a running back and the endzone? Would be nice for coverage though.
Nope, I want Landry to be. Honestly I gave Cro a harder time than anyone about his tackling and coverage since he got here, and especially the first several games last year but his tackling has improved greatly.
That and considering PFF and a number of other metrics sites are putting Cro in the top 10 list of CBs in the NFL, we really have nothing to complain about. Keeping Wilson in the slot makes the Jets have the best CB trio in football.
I have no concernes at corner and moving Cro to a safty position creates, IMO, more issues then we currently have. That being said, the big question marks are obviously at the Safty position and the "other" OLB spot (Thomas, Maybin, Davis, Sapp). This will be the TC position battel I am most interested in on the Defensive side of the ball. ONE MORE DAY!
I agree, I just think it's an interesting thought of having him back there. Something that if it was going to happen should've happend a long time ago.
I disagree, I think this is DeVito´s Spot to loose. But once Coples shows, that he can hold his Ground on the Runninggame, DeVito should´t have a chance. When Coples gets tossed around in the Runninggame, he´s got to be limited to 3rd Down at the 34DE Position. When it comes to a 4-Man Front, I think Wilkerson is a better Fit for the 3 Tequinque, with Pouha at the NT, and Coples at RE and Pace/Thomas at LE. Simular to the DeVito vs. Coples Situation, I think it comes down to Maybin beeing able to stop the Run. If he can´t, he won´t see the field, unless its a obvious passing Down. If Maybin would win this Competition, it would be huge for our D, cuz then we would finally have a legit Edgerusher on the Field on 1st and 2nd Down. While I think Coples has the tools to beat out DeVito, I don´t think that Maybin can convince the Coaches, that he won´t be a huge liability in the Groundgame. When it comes to S, I just hope the find someone who can cover once in a while. When none of the Rookies steps up and surprises us all, this will be our achilles heel all season long.
Coples is very good against the run ... no one is going to be tossing him around. He's a 3 down lineman.
in College... We HAVE TO SEE him hold his ground in the pre-season (run game wise). I'm not saying he can't/won't, I just need to see him do it.
remember, in our sceme he has to hold his ground against OT, while he has to occupy two Gaps, that´s not an easy task, for a guy, built like Coples. As i said, i think he can do it, but he hast to show it, before he gets handed the RDE Spot.
That's fair, but the post I quoted read like he was coming in as a liability against the run like Maybin to me. He should be a strength against the run IMO.
OK, this makes more sense to me - I guess I made incorrect assumptions when I first read your post. Also remember he was most dominant inside as a DT at the NCAA level. I don't think it will be a problem.
I am very curious to see if they plan on using him standing up for some plays... I would say the biggest battle will be at OLB, and thats mainly going to be decided on if Maybin can improve vs the run.
I think the lack of a true free safety on the roster is overblown. With all the DB's Rex uses on passing downs its not as important. I thought the stat below was interesting. The Jets used seven or more defensive backs on 11 percent of pass plays, far more than any other team. In fact, only one other defense used seven or more defensive backs on more than 1.5 percent of pass plays -- Dallas. Rex and Rob Ryan sure think alike. Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/07/22/mmqb/index.html#ixzz21e5LtxmZ It doesn't even take into account nickel and dime situations so that number has to be significantly higher. The more DB's you have on the field the less importance a true FS is to the overall scheme. With the league trend of stud receiving TE's the safeties and LB's are gonna have to be playing tighter to the LOS in almost a hybrid LB/S type position whereas a true FS is a deep centerfielder protecting against the long ball and reading the QB. I believe this is the value they saw in Antonio Allen as he played a similar type role in college who played the run well and had some short range cover skills. Hopefully, AA is decent enough that can step in and play a role. Josh Bush would be the closest thing to a FS on the roster. He's a converted corner with man cover skills.
