If Our QB Play By Week 8 is Atrocious...

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  1. TwoHeadedMonster

    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    Facepalm.

    No. The implication being that Manning goes down and the Broncos trade for Stanton--as trading for a QB late is the point of the thread.

    Sorry, I didn't know I had to spell it out for you.
     
  2. 101GangGreen101

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    This is an awful idea

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  3. TwoHeadedMonster

    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    Props to sg3.

    Anticipating EXCELLENT QB play up to the trade deadline, Sanchez playing so well Wildcat/Tebow can't even get on the field. Can we get a 4th rounder out of him to recoup our investment?
     
  4. JetsFan

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    Matt Moore, Miami Dolphins is the only one who would fit this senario. He knows the offense, would be cheap to acquire and will not be the starter unless their rookie gets hurt.
     
  5. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    Except he's a Falcons fan that pretends to be a Jets fanfor this board.
     
  6. Jim-Jet

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    LOL - I was going to post something about Manning but you did a good job with it....
     
  7. The GM

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    No cow, I am a fan of both teams. Born, raised, and live in New York, always rooted for the Jets.

    The point of the exercise was to see what QBs would likely be on the trading block near the new trade deadline. I personally think picking up a guy like Hasselback or Flynn would be a great move for a mid-late round pick. If Sanchez is struggling, we have a guy who can step in and manage a game.

    If Sanchez is breaking out, which I personally don't expect in the first season of a new OC and a run-first gameplan, then it would still be a good move to get a quality backup QB that can learn the simple offense over the rest of the season and prepare if we need him for the playoffs. Does anyone have faith in Tebow to lead the Jets to a SB if Sanchez gets injured near playoff time like Schaub did? I'd have much more faith in a guy like Flynn stepping in and completing passes and leading our offense down the field to points.

    QBs usually "break out" when they are comfortable in an offense, the offense is decidedly pass-first, and they have good weapons. We have good weapons now, but Sanchez is struggling in minicamps which isn't a sign that he is comfortable and we are going to be decidedly run-first.

    Newton last year had weapons, was comfortable in the offense, and the offense was majorly pass-first and tailored to Cam Newton. This offense is "tailored" to Mark Sanchez some would say, but only because it will not ask him to go out and throw the ball 30-40 times a game...thus taking the ball out of his hand and making him a glorified game manager.

    Talking about Sanchez is never something most of you will see eye to eye with me because I was not a fan of his college and am not a believer in his "tremendous talent." He's a fine QB tools-wise who gets frazzled and loses his confidence quickly in games, but thinks he's as cool as can be off the field. Wasn't a fan of his when we traded up to #5 to take him even though the deal was a rip off in our favor, not a fan of his now.
     
  8. The GM

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    As for the Broncos "buying" back Tebow for several 1sts at the deadline if Manning is knocked out for good, there is a likelier chance that we trade our entire offense for Matt Stafford and rebuild.

    John Fox and John Elway want nothing to do with Tim Tebow. At all. Ever. They want him QB'ing the opposing team. Tebow may have been a fan favorite but they knew he was not the QB to lead the team then and they know that now. They drafted Osweiler to develop and would likely just play the year out, pick up a Top 5 pick and draft a stud defender like Johnathan Hankins or Barkevious Mingo, and then move on with Osweiler going forward.
     
  9. Footballgod214

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    Elway wanted nothing to do with Timmy last year and how'd that work out for him?

    That said, the Broncs buying Tebow back is far, far fetched, of course, but at least most of the Denver fan base (and half of the Jet fan base) would be screaming for it if Manning goes down.

    Never under estimate the power of 120,000 drunken football fans.
     
  10. sg3

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    thanks for the props

    I have a strong feeling that after the 2012 season, Mr Khan of the Jaguars will have had enough of the Blaine Gabbert/Chad Henne error of empty seats and double digit losses for his team and will offer the Jets a second round pick for our Fullback/Punt Protector in order to try and get some fannies in the seats and not have to tarp off any more of his home stadium
     
  11. The GM

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    Two things here about Tebow, because this isn't a bad idea.

    1) The Jets aren't priming Tebow to be a better QB. In fact it's quite the opposite. They are asking him to bulk up to fullback/tight end size to be better used as an H-back in the offense and better sustain crushing hits from LBs and DTs on running plays. By mid-season, Tebow's mechanics and pure later movement and agility that helped him as a QB in the pocket should be worse thanks to the added weight and to the training as an H-back as opposed to QB. He would not be an upgrade football-wise over Gabbert or Henne, even if the Jags are 0-7.

    2) The reason why that may not matter is because it seems Khan is a business man first and foremost. He is leaving control of personnel decisions up to Gene Smith however and seems like, as of right now, he wouldn't James Dolan the GM into making a move for a player he wanted. If the season is lost AND the two QBs flounder like nothing we've ever seen before.....that may change. If fans aren't showing up to the games and Khan isn't making the kind of money he projected, he may think that a 4th round pick would be used well by the team to bring in Tebow and fill the seats. We would never get a 2nd rounder because Tebow just isn't worth that....people need to remember that right after coming off a playoff birth, and playoff victory over the Steelers, the Broncos maxed out his trade value with a 4th round pick. Thus, if we were looking to sell Tebow mid-season after playing as a H-back, specialist, and personal protector he'd likely bring us back no more than a 6th round pick and that's if we're lucky.

    I also don't think both Gabbert and Henne will flounder in Jacksonville. Mike Mularkey is very good at managing a QB, getting them to play well within some constraints, getting the ground game going and basic passing game going. He isn't good at getting creative and progressing a QB past that glorified game manager points, but up until then he can get one going. I can imagine that Mularkey will use the weapons in Jacksonville, which now are near tops in the AFC, much like he used his weapons in Atlanta.

    MJD as the feature back, which is an upgrade on Turner.
    Marcedes Lewis as the feature TE, which is an upgrade on Tony Gonzalez at this point.
    Laurent Robinson and Justin Blackmon as the top 2 WRs, good players not at the level of Roddy White and Julio Jones but can certainly make plays.
    Mike Thomas out of the slot, like Harry Douglas in Atlanta. Mularkey isn't adept at utilizing a slot WR but Thomas is there for the QB.

    Henne seems like a logical choice to lead a Mularkey-attack since he can run the play action passing game with these weapons quite well and he is just fine at turning around and handing the ball off. His arm is also very good, so deep PA shots to Robinson will be nice. Gabbert has the same tools, but it's about his ability to rebound from a disastrous rookie season and handle the position mentally. I think Jax could be fine, it just may not reflect in their record early on.

    Regardless, trading what appears to be an early 2nd round pick in the 2013 draft for Tebow after we traded a 4th round pick for him when his value was highest is not going to happen.
     
  12. NYCBillsFan

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    Jp Losman and Trent Edwards may both be available?
     
  13. dcm1602

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    Brian Daboll ran the offense for Moore

    Which I presume is not the same as the offense that Sparano will be using
     
  14. The GM

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    Unlike some of the other guys, I don't see these two as being worth even a 7th round draft pick. I'd rather take a flier on a RB or some off-the-field momo in the 2013 draft than bring in a guy like Losman or Edwards.

    Moot point since no one within our division would trade us a QB, especially one like Moore who has legitimate talent and could upgrade our offense.
     
  15. HOI

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    IMO if our QB play is shit by week 2 there is going to be problems. I am in no way a "Tebow guy" but Sanchez's ass is really pinned against the wall. Now some people...intelligent ones...realize that Tebow is not the long term Sanchez solution but the media (which is powerful) is DYING for this thing to blow up. And make no mistakes about it...if Sanchez does not have a lights out pre season and first few weeks its going to start a shit storm.

    For fucks sake we have reporters writing mini camp passing statistics!! As we have seen sanity doesn't always win with this franchise. I unfortunately I think that Sanchez's days are number unless he plays LIGHTS OUT. We could easily be 2-3 after 5...if that happens the wheels are going to start to fall off.

    We all remember the cheering that took place when Pernnington got hurt....the attitude about Sanchez is just about at the same place...

    In regards to the OP were not going to go out mid season and bring in some other teams cast off QB. 2012 is Sanchez or Tebows...bottom line.
     
  16. Big Blocker

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    No trade will happen. But imo the odds that we could see the third string Qb take the field are relatively quite high, probably at least as high as when the Jets picked an even more fragile Fiedler to back up Chadwick.
     
  17. Milliner is your Mommy

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    I dont get it. Are you saying Sanchez and Tebow are as fragile as Fiedler and Chadwick?
     
  18. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Not physically, no. But since I think Tebow is not a real NFL Qb, and if Sanchez plays no better than he did last year, then...
     
  19. kellypkjoe

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    This thread is a waste of time. I am sick of doomsayers
     
  20. Milliner is your Mommy

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    Ah gotcha. I agree with that. Tebow has no business starting so if Sanchez struggles and for whatever reason Tebow comes in we are not better off.
     

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