Will Sanchez fight Rex?

At this point, I'd almost prefer it if we trade Sanchez and let Tebow start. It will bring about change faster and hasten this decline. Rex said yesterday that he planned to give Tebow up to 20 snaps per game. 20 snaps! But he's the backup and Sanchez is his guy. Riiiight. Rex and Tanny have lost their fricken' minds.

 

I saw an earlier post of yours that I agreed with about Schotty's offense. 2009 and 2010 were failed attempts for Schotty to institute his philosophy on offense, resulting in Rex bleating about Ground & Pound, which I have come to the conclusion was an alternate training wheel playbook designed heavily on the run.

In 2011, Rex mentioned a possible return to G&P, but the results were different this time. We got more pass, even after anyone with a television set in the northeast could see Sanchez picking himself off the field with the same arm, while the other arm was clutched protectively against his side.

Rex took the leash from Schotty, let him try his mad experiment, while the Jets controlled their own destiny, and it failed. And the Jets missed the playoffs because of it.

Now the Jets have Sanchez in a situation where his skills can be made put to good use, in a play-action based offense that makes good use of the run, and a WC option that he is not unfamiliar with, and a backup QB that can make that WC far more effective that the miscast WC players he played with before.

 

We can't trade Sanchez this year. Cap hit would be way too high. He's more than 20 million in dead money on a cut and probably a bit more than half that if he's traded and the guaranteed salary comes off the books.

Next year he is tradeable but by then his value will be down significantly because of what transpired this year and the guaranteed salary next year. The Jet's off-season this year has been a succession of conflicting moves that detract from each prior move.

Re-negotiating Sanchez to free up cap space also committed the Jets to him for at least one no holds barred season. Signing Drew Stanton was logical. Trading for Tim Tebow overthrew the logic on both the prior moves and put the Jets in a bind.

 

Right now today, Tim Tebow is the face of the NY Jets and he hasn't played a game yet. We are dominating the back pages of the press, local TV and there is a Tebow billboard up at the Lincoln Tunnel. There is no way this guy isn't playing a big role.

On what planet should a backup QB be the face of a franchise before he is even introduced to the press? Tim Tebow is about way more than being a backup QB and for a team that has had way to many distractions, this is not something to be spinned as a positive.

We had a great opportunity to have a quiet offseason, address real needs and install a new O for our newly extended franchise QB. We even had the opportunity to improve our backup QB. Instead we have again become the attention whores of the NFL for a guy who is going to be the third string QB and have a package of plays for a separate option O. We have McKelroy as Sanchez’s backup and Kerley as Tebow’s backup. With a new OC we are effectively installing 2 new offenses to be run by two different QB's. Soprano better be a much better OC than he was at being a HC.

 

I think some Sanchez Fans might already be nostalgic, if they cared to admit it. Schotty would never have voted for bringing in Tebow. Sparano seems all in on doubling down on the type of O that couldn't save his coaching job in freaking Miami.

 

Well, to be fair to Sparano I don't think he thought he was running the whole offense when he came in the door. We had a lot of talk about a passing game coordinator to pair with him and that somehow went away over the month of February as all the real candidates took jobs elsewhere.

You know what I think really happened this off-season? I think Tannenbaum didn't have a lot of money to spend and he got dissed by almost everybody he tried to get. Money talks but the Jets were light on cap space and so they didn't get a chance to make big changes.

I think the Tebow trade was to mask that fact: that Tannenbaum had nobody important listening to him this off-season and as a result the Jets were having a very quiet run.

It's too bad the Jets didn't just stick it out. Events were forcing them to be conservative and build the way they should, through the draft. Then they threw their hands up in the air and started to do the hokey-pokey anyway because that's all they know how to do.

 

I generally agree with you, but also need to add Woody was involved in all this, up to his eyeballs.

Woody is also a media attention whore. So there's that.

I think the big reason Tanny still has is job is that Woody realizes his own fingerprints are all over the current condition of the Jets. Tanny makes particular moves and has his own staff, but the general strategy that we have been seeing them pursue has been totally approved by Woody.

 

It could be worse. We could have Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato.

For all their flaws, and there are definitely some there, Woody and Tannenbaum have been a much more effective team than some attention whores with enabling front men.

I think the problem is that Woody can't let go of the inequality with the Giants, particularly in selling PSL's, and to Tannenbaum every major problem is resolvable by manipulating the cap somehow.

 

True. If anything, the arrival of Tebow has probably doubled the number of Sanchez fans.


And count me in as someone who hopes that Sanchez does feel threatened. Competition should bring out the best in him. If it doesn't, then he has no business being in a profession that is all about competition.

 

What? Are you serious? He has been pampered his entire time here. He was handed the starting job for all 3 years and his backup was Mark Brunell basically there to coach him and not play. We have been way too easy on him. Stress over his job is something he has not experienced until the last couple weeks.

 

Having the starting QB job in the worst media center in the world thrown at you with not enough experience and no prep time to watch the game from the sidelines all the while having your team loudly proclaiming the Super Bowl as the end goal is not being pampered.

You don't really understand the meaning of the word if you think it is.

If the Jets could have performed for him as well as making demands on him, then yeah he'd have been pampered. The performance part was on him and like any young guy with not enough experience at the actual job he fell short of other people's expectations.

And I didn't say stress over his job, I said occupational stress. If you think Sanchez was not stressed by what happened during his rookie season or last year you are flat out nuts.

 

Sanchez fights Rex. Rex snacks while getting hit. Everyone wins.

 

Ok that I can agree with. I thought you meant he has been afraid he would lose his job. I don't think you give Rex enough credit though. He does all the talking and puts a lot of the pressure on himself. If players fall short people look at Rex as the one who failed.

 

I read the same thing I think at nyjetscap.com. something like 20-24 mil in dead money if he's traded/cut this year, but next year he can be traded.

Any chance they could get him to renegotiate again and do a sign and trade?

Seems unlikely, but it's hard to see the sense of keeping both of them.

 

I think the Jets end up trading Tebow. Use him to run the wildcat maybe raise his value a bit and trade him. If Tebow is successful in his role hopefully someone out there will overpay for him.

 

What if Rex and Sporano wanted this? We know Sporano likes the run first offense, and if we take Rex at his word, he always wants to "Ground and Pound". Once Shotty was gone, Rex went after a guy known for wanting to run the ball.

Prior to Tebow, all we heard during the offseason was about how some Jets though Mark was coddled, sucked, etc. Holmes borderline quit on the team in the last game.

So that was Rex's other problem. Manning goes to Denver, and all of the sudden both Rex and Sporano see a run first QB available. Was it really a publicity stunt to go after Tebow, or did Rex and Sporano just see a player that fits their offensive philosophy and told Tanny to get him?

That's the reason I don't buy into the "Publicity Stunt" aspect of this that gets thrown around. Rex hired an OC to run the ball more often, and he wants to run the ball. They both seem like the types who would love Tebow as their QB, and the Jets do have a problem at the QB position.

 

I'm pretty sure the dead money is less than that for a trade, since the guaranteed salary no longer counts against the cap for the Jets since it is on the new team's cap.

It's still prohibitive for this year.

I don't think there's anything they can do in terms of a sign and trade renegotiation for this season. Not unless Sanchez is going to pay them back bonus money he has already received in the process to lower the pro-rated cap numbers - and I would expect that is a no-go.

I think next year any likely trade would be via some form of renegotiation that lowered the dead money on the cap for 2013. I expect that Sanchez would be amenable to that if he liked the potential destination. He might well also be willing to restructure to offer the Jets cap relief if they were willing to just cut him and let him make his own deal afterwards.

This is all a business of course but I can't help thinking that Mike Tannenbaum has built up some really bad karma over the years with player relations and that karma is going to bite him in the ass one of these days real soon. Sanchez might be it.

 

Tebow the wildcat QB is resourceful only in certain situations and is very limited to what he can do.

Sanchez was able to go into Foxborough score 3 passing TDs and beat the Patriots.

Tebow's wildcat machine on the otherhand was shutdown against the Patriots.

Sanchez has proven the best choice to beat the division foe Patriots.

BTW...last year the 3rd worst Right Tackle in the league blocked for Sanchez. A record 39 sacks for Sanchez. But he still managed to improve his td/int ratio. Given average protection I think Sanchez can get back to beating the Patriots.

There is no QB controvery. Sanchez is the man.

 

Well he increased both those numbers but I don't think he improved the ratio.