only partially right. Defense was ranked 20th (or 19th I have seen both). They kept him in 4 of the 8 victories, Vikings, Raiders, Pittsburgh etc were higher scoring affairs . 1-4 2011 (first 5 games of season with Von miller and defense) 7-4<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Tebow in as QB 2011 NO OTHER PLAYER CHANGE Playoff win +1 I agree Tebow was not the only reason the Broncos completely turned around that abysmal record and ended 8-5 with a GREAT playoff win and yes The Denver defense and the kicking game had as much to do with it . BUT without Tebow the Broncos do not go 8-5 into the playoffs , as Tebow is one of the 3 pieces that were neccessary to get that accomplished . Therefore Tebow deserves as much credit for the turn around as the defense and the kicking game and if not as much quite a bit (he was one of the 3 pieces) . To say he had nothing to do with it is not factual.
Maybe not entirely factual but you will understand my vibe when you see your first 3 quarters of bad football... If the game isn't close the gunslinging miracle kid isn't going to get you out of the mud.
how rediculous can you be yes you gave up a fourth for a given 2nd rounder (that actually went in the 1st) then you traded a 6 for a 7 stop acting like the sky is falling and you gave up TWO picks to get him you gave up one pick and traded back another, hold it together man, your falling apart at the seams
Are you saying he is beating out Sanchez in training camp? Mixed message if you are ..... Mark Sanchez is not Orton...by a long shot. Sanchez is not getting beat out so how is Tim getting to show 3 quarters of bad play? If Sanchez gets injured , Tebow is better than Stanton (even in passing stats) .
Whoever said this was nothing more than ticket sales, hit it right on the head. You know what sells a lot of tickets? Winning....
Oh.. I forgot one last thing... I wont miss this (I cannot post a link) (Google it) Tebow fans were running all kinds of Billboards all over Denver, first to start him then all the religious ones I wont mention because its against forum rules...
No.. I was talking about watching Tebow go 2-9 for 69 yards and 9 rushing yards against a very bad Kansas City team... We won but man it was rough... I really hope Sanchez kicks it up a notch. I think he is a good QB
WRONG and a flat out lie to boot the billboard that was put up in denver was paid for a sports merchandise company, but you keep going with the lies to support your theory, don't let something little like the facts get in the way
How is it a bad move for winning games? he was 8-5 as a starter in Denver. The WORST team in the NFL from 2009-2011 before he started. because he threw ugly passes?????
cherry pick the one game that I already said he played like dog shit . and the billboard was a publicity stunt ONE BILL BOARD in the entire city. Your not on the Denver forum bud where a bunch of your buddies are going to jump in and distort facts along with you . and you know what? Orton was THAT BAD that he deserved about a dozen bill boards. I would rather have seen Elway QB the team than Orton. Sanchez is not Orton, stop trying to draw parallels.
Your posts complaining about Orton lack cred. He has better stats than Tebow OR Sanchez. He was hurt in 10 and had nagging injuries early last year. He finished strong in KC and was resigned there. Meanwhile Denver's D sucked until it picked up about midseason last year. LTG.
It really does no good to argue about it. Tebow is like Obama. People decide whether they like him or not and then invent their own reality to justify their opinion. Nobody is going to change their mind without absolutely overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It is harder to change my mind since I watched him pass for 9000 yards at Florida and, when he had a quality receiver in Lloyd in 2010, go 16/29 for 308 yards 1td/1int in his second NFL start and bring the Broncos back from a 17-0 halftime deficit and beat the Texans. There are as many youtube videos of him throwing beautiful, tight spiral strikes downfield as there are dirtballs and wobbles. The Broncos were the worst team in football for the past two years prior to him getting the starting nod. They couldnt run. They couldnt pass protect. They couldnt stop anybody. He won't (personally) do anything to hurt sanchez and everything within his power to help him get better and the jets win. You need a 3rd and goal from the 2? He will flat out run over Uhrlacher to get it. He will play two quarters all out with busted ribs and a punctured lung against the patriots if that is what it takes. With all the tough talk that comes from Jets fans and rex ryan I would have thought you guys would have wanted a tough baller to back up sanchez and get your back...
He played horrible the last 5 games in Denver and the team quit on him. (I am not a Tebow maniac, I have repeatedly said there is no way Sanchez should lose any competition against Tebow unless he folds mentally ) . and speaking of "Orton" cred , you consider 1 TD and 2 interceptions in FOUR Games with KC finishing strong?
The Tebow Taliban Probably my last post ... This is a well written farewell to TT by Brandon Spano Goodbye Tebow Mania! By Brandon Sano I never thought in a million years that I would be happy to say that. When it comes down to the simple fact of Tim Tebow leaving, I’m actually not happy at all to say that. But within the past few weeks, I have grown to become very angry with Tebow fans. It all started when Von Miller sent out a tweet that read, “I would take a huge pay cut to get Mario Williams and Peyton Manning, I just want to win!!!” Most football fans would be blown away by that statement. A young pro athlete saying that money doesn’t matter as long as he won a Super Bowl is unheard of. But instead of getting respected, patted on the back, and fan recognition, he was attacked relentlessly by Tebow Nation. He was called a backstabber, a liar, a fake, a fraud, a loser, and a phony. It was sick. From that day forward, I have turned a cold shoulder to the fan base that made up for a huge percentage of my listenership, Twitter followers and Facebook friends. Before I get carried away, which I totally plan on doing, I must say that I am not talking about all of Tebow’s fans, but I am talking about a large percentage of them. There are the football fans that loved watching him and believe that he can make it on the football field. They are fine with me. There are the Broncos fans that supported Tebow because he was a Bronco and will now root for Peyton Manning, I am okay with them too. The spineless losers that I am talking about are the people that didn’t watch much football until they laid eyes on Tim Tebow. They are infatuated with everything he does and swing off of his every word. These fans don’t care about anybody else but Tim Tebow. Nothing is his fault and NFL methods that have been used for decades cannot be applied to him. They have no understanding of the NFL and feel like everybody owes Tim Tebow something. I would be failing Broncos fans if I didn’t mention that these same fans are the ones that walk into each conversation with an elephant-sized sense of entitlement. Because they never watched Broncos football or paid much attention to the NFL, they actually feel like the Broncos were nothing before Tim Tebow got here. Apparently, the storied AFL franchise with 6 Super Bowl appearances, a Hall Of Quarterback and the stadium called “Mile High” was unheard of before Timmy showed up. That’s how ignorant these people are. By the standards of these people, replacing Tim Tebow with arguably the greatest quarterback of all time is not fair and immoral. John Elway said that Tim Tebow would be the starter going into training camp and because he has now traded him, he is an evil, rotten, scumbag. Before we touch on the disgusting, ruthless, and thug-like behavior that John Elway has been attacked with, I have to make it clear that just because you disagree with John Elway doesn’t mean that I am putting you in this category. My belief is that if you have a football reason for your opinion, than I accept it as a sports opinion and we can then discuss it like adults. What I am talking about is the same group that I previously mentioned. The group that once again, knows nothing about the league that has been around for nearly a century. You see, John Elway was operating the same way that he has seen for the past 20 years, but little did he know, he was playing with a different deck of cards. A deck of cards that have been manufactured by religious zealots and fans of the pop icon, not the football player. According to these people the Denver Broncos owed Tim Tebow something. After just 15 starts, they owed Tebow a starting spot and residency for life. I put out 6 on-air audio rants in defense of Tim Tebow that can all be found online to this day. I called out local and national media, some of which I have to see on a daily basis, in defense of Tebow. The intro to my show is me pleading my case for Tebow to be the starter in the preseason! With that said, even I know that the Broncos did not owe Tebow ANYTHING! If The Broncos didn’t owe the legendary Steve Atwater a contract before shipping him off to the Jets after a decade on the Broncos roster, than they certainly don’t owe Tebow anything. I would guess that 95% of the group that I am aiming at have no idea who Steve Atwater even is. THE Steve Atwater. The one with 173 tackles in 1990, (not a typo) the one who is responsible for “the hit heard round the world” and the guy who knocked out three players at once during the Denver Broncos triumphant first Super Bowl win. Atwater is just one of the small stories in a library full of NFL books that contain these situations. What about the guy that is replacing Tim Tebow? The great Peyton Manning. A quarterback who really did make a team relevant. A four time MVP who owns many records and spent the past 14 years building an empire. A Super Bowl MVP that single-handedly made it possible for a new stadium to be built and then was kicked out the door after missing last season with an injury. Didn’t the Colts owe him? Didn’t they do him wrong? Surely if Tebow was done wrong by being traded away after 15 starts, Manning’s release has to be the most unethical, immoral, dismissal of a player in NFL history! You will never hear that from the mainstream Tim Tebow fans. As a matter of fact, some of these fans have expressed on my Facebook page and my Twitter timeline that they hope he gets injured. Yes, you read that correctly. The fans of the NFL player that holds his moral and spiritual values at the highest plateau actually behave in the exact opposite manner of what he preaches. Colin Daniels from SouthStandsDenver.com sent the final dagger into my heart a few days ago. The fans that I had grown so close to had already disgusted me after the bashing of Demaryius Thomas and Von Miller on any social media applications that they could get their hands on. But I was about to step upon the final straw. Colin clicked on John Elway’s twitter account and started filing tweets that Tebow fans had sent Mr. Elway in a four hour period. It was pretty easy for him to copy a hundred of them in no time. I later looked for myself and there must have been thousands of derogatory tweets to Mr. Elway. Picking which ones to use for this article was very difficult because of how nasty these profanity laced quotes really are. Here are some of the nicer ones. • There is nothing like a mans word. You took it back, what a coward! • You are the MOST ARROGANT SPORTS PLAYER EVER! Don’t be jealous of Tim Tebow, a GENUINELY GOOD GUY! He will do great things! GO TEBOW!! • You made the biggest mistake that you have ever made, you lied to all fans. I know it and so do you. Pay backs are coming soon!” • If the Broncos trade Tebow, I hope the Broncos lose every game that Manning plays in. • You suck for trading Tebow, you fat inglorious ****! Your team will go 0 and 16. Those were the nice ones. These thugs are running rampant attacking anybody that they can. They honestly believe that the Broncos owe Tim Tebow. They don’t get it. They don’t want to get it. This is the NFL. It’s a big business, full of moving pieces. Reading the overwhelmingly malicious comments that appeared on Elway’s timeline was enough. It was at that point that I had to disassociate myself from them, turn around and point the finger. That’s what I am doing now. Some of these people will look at this column as a diss to Tim Tebow. That’s how ignorant many of their minds are. The fact is that I love Tim Tebow. I don’t just think that he is a great guy who could marry my daughter one day. I think he is a kick ass football player that makes for one hell of a show. I think that he provides a skill set that we haven’t seen and with a few improvements could be one of the deadliest players in all of football. I think he has the game winning gene. I think he is great under pressure. I think he could master half of the positions on the football field and be effective at the pro level playing any of them, quarterback included. As many of you know, I am as impressed and blown away by Tim Tebow as I am about almost any player that I have ever seen. Call me crazy, but I think he is going to win a Super Bowl one day. That’s how much I believe in the man that I have called Super Timmy for the past 12 months. What’s funny is that I have just upset everybody who hates Tim Tebow and everybody who loves Tim Tebow in the same column. And as I think about that simple notion, I realize that the problem lies within that very formula. You have to be for everything or be against everything. Sorry, I have my own mind; thank you. I will not condone the behavior from the people that some refer to as the Tebow Taliban. It is my opinion that this is one of the prime reasons that Tim Tebow is not a Denver Bronco anymore. The circus is just too much. I also believe that this is why John Elway got rid of Tebow a day after Manning came to town. Elway did not want these scoundrels anywhere near his precious franchise. He did not want the greatest quarterback of all time to have to deal with this nonsense and questioning. I’m assuming that Elway himself did not want to deal with this issue either. For everybody who says that franchises don’t make moves based on the fans, I agree, but I believe that this situation is different. According to Alex Marvez of Fox Sports, Legendary GM Bill Polian, said having Tebow and Manning on the same roster would create the kind of off-field distraction that teams try to avoid because of the potential trickle-down effect on each player and the rest of the roster, That was the exact quote that Marvez pulled from Polian in his column a few days ago. That tells me all I need to know when a guy like Polian says that about a player.
