Sorry if you perceived I thought Scott was a bum from my post. I have always thought that he was a solid NFL starting LB...just not worth what he was being paid. However he HAS slowed down lately and is unhappy watching his role change and snap count diminish. That being said, the Jets will be better with him, than simply cutting him and trying to replace him with a low cost replacement, while STILL having to over pay him for not being on your team. That's why the Jets will keep him. Its the only thing that makes sense. The point of my post was to cast aspersions on the FO, not Scott. Its not the players fault that the FO vastly over paid him. (though its usually the player that gets blamed). The fact is that MOST high priced FAs fail to produce on the field what they are being paid, even when they play fairly well. Scott and Pace are 2 perfect examples. Very good players, just not worth what they are being paid. Not their fault.
OF COURSE THEY GAVE HIM PERMISSION... Whose been saying this for months... Then I get the "oh, he does things that don't translate in the stats,,,",,, "he does other things." He's not that good.... Said it before the season and got ridiculed...
Partially true. Jets do owe him the guaranteed money if he is cut. However, there is an offset provision in his deal that whatever he gets paid by another team lowers the Jets salary cap hit by that amount. So they can save some on the cap if he gets signed which he will but obviously not at the high number of his current salary. He will have suitors and would probably be in the 2MIL range salary wise it would seem.
Pace's situation has been affected in past years by injury and other things. This past year he was healthy if another year older, but was affected by Thomas's injury and the Jets asking him to do more sealing the edge than what many here expected him to be all along, which was a better pass rusher. I think he overall had a good year. Worth his contract? Maybe not, but not vastly overpaid. As with Scott it is the guaranteed money going into this year that makes him seem more of a problem, but as for Scott people wouldn't be talking about it quite so much if his contract had been more frontloaded and not so much a hit in the upcoming season. As you no doubt will agree, that is much more a reflection on choices, perhaps poor choices, made by the FO.
Every time Tannenbaum opens his mouth I'm reminded that this clown hasn't been relieved of his duties yet.
How do you know this? Plus if I'm another team I don't pay him a cent over the minimum but that's another question. EDIT: And he doesn't have an offset according to this recent story. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2012/02/jets_bart_scotts_reps_discuss.html SECOND EDIT: Anyone have any idea what the real salary cap ramifications are for trading/cutting him? The NY Jets Cap data-which is normally very good-looks really wrong on him (essentially they pro rated his bonuses through 2013 instead of 2014 when his contract ends and I can't think of a reason they would have done so)
Scotts worth over the minimum, especially if youre a team like Philly or the Rams desperate for an ILB with size to help stop the run. Not to mention the guy is someone you might want to consider keeping around for another 3 solid years
and, neither has bradway either. the fact that those two still handle the draft has me worried. lack of picks, trades which burn picks for guys who aren't even on the team anymore ( lito shepard), etc. you need to have some quantity in the draft to have good depth on the team. the eagles may not hit on every pick, but by sheer volume, they have depth. lok at what they did to us when we played them last year. we were getting toasted even after the starters were pulled out of the game.
I understand he's worth more than the minimum but why would you pay him more than the minimum for 2012? If the Jets cut him and I'm another team who wants him I give him extra money in 2013 and pay him as little as possible in 2012 so the Jets (and not me) pays for him. Besides he has no offset so this is irrelevant.
According to Cimini BS is another I player & is POed that RR reduced his role this past season which is why he wants out :sad:
It's crazy isn't it? 2 guys who have been the GM during the greatest stretch of sustained success in franchise history. How do they still have jobs is beyond me? What as the Eagles record last year? same as ours, did the Eagles make back to back title games in '09 & '10? do we forget we lost Kris jenkins in '09 and '10 and replaced him? we lost leon in '09 and replaced him, Woody in '10, Revis in '10, ... the depth wasn't great this year but losing our top backup OL in preseason then our best OL early in the year will damage any teams depth.
bart started this whole thing pissing and moaning about not being on the field on passing downs. thinks he still deserves to be a full time ilb no matter what. semi demanded a trade to a like thinking team. good luck with that.
This is what has to be understood, the guy is losing his ability to cover, and once a player becomes one dimensional and has to be substituted for, you can try to pay a guy much less for being one dimensional. I'm all for the Jets letting him go, I don't see the reason why we are worried about it, the defense is a top five defense with Scott in a diminished role. I'm glad the Jets are trying to get younger, I would rather they let a guy go one year early than one year too late.
Interesting...That SB trophy looks great in Vicks hands...oh wait, nevermind, they sucked more than us being the "Dream Team".
Bart Scott has been a complimentary piece in the Jet's 3-4 the last couple of seasons. He's been a loud flashy complimentary player but that's kind of the extent of his contributions. The Jets paid him like a star because he was helping to bring Rex's defensive ideas over from Baltimore and the Jets needed a center guy right in the middle of the defense to make that work well. He's getting older and his skills are beginning to drop off and Rex no longer wants him on the field on passing downs and at the end of games for the most part. That's the problem here. It's unfortunate that one of the moves that Tannenbaum made last year to free up cap space to make a run at Asomugha was guaranteeing Scott's 2012 salary, but that's what it is.
