Burfict fit?

I can see a worse drop from him than Justin Houston last year... I remember hearing that some scouts have him rated as a 5th round player purely based on character concerns.

 

if he falls to the jets in the second or third round.he is worth the pick.he is a ryan type of player.

 

Well he ran a 4.93 in his first 40 attempt. Forget the character concerns, can the dude play?

 

http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=66564&highlight=burfict&page=4

My post(s) on Burfict last August not a whole lot has changed in my stance(Well its on pages 4 and 5 with my debate with MR.E)....
(Well he won't be Pat Willis....maybe Jon Beason if he really gets his act together)

The one thing Burfict has going for him aside from the "Oh he can change his ways"(Anyone can relatively speaking) is that I truly believe Dennis Erickson had zero control over his team and did not teach his players about some of the basic necessities that a player like Burfict needed in ASU.

Burfict IS coachable, just I am worried his poor habits may be permanent where he will always over pursue or get chippy as its in his DNA in doing so.

 

In my opinion that's bullshit. Wanting to go for the big hit does not mean he has a killer mindset, it only means he likes to show off.
Exactly how many big plays (in terms of outcome, not how strong the hit was) has this guy made at ASU?

He is a physical specimen for the position but that's about it... I don't care if a player is an idiot, as long as that doesn't impact his on-field play. Burfict is too stupid, too immature and too entitled (5 star recruit and #1 ILB) and that shows on his on-field play (when he's on the field since he got benched).

Who knows, he might get it together once he gets to the NFL (ala Calais Campbell, Brandon Spikes) or be out of the league in 2 yrs.
For now I have a DND grade on him... especially considering the pressure of playing in NY and on a team with leadership problems already.

I have a problem with all this Bart Scott replacement talk. The league is becoming more and more of a passing league and Rex loves playing many DBs. How many times do we have 5 or even 6 DBs on the field?
Most of the time Scott is the first guy that comes out in nickel and dime packages. Truth is it's a luxury to have 2 VG ILBs in a 3-4 because one of them will only play 60% of the snaps.

Harris is our main ILB and will be so for several years. No need to spend a high pick for someone playing next to him, who's bound to come out on 3rd downs and against teams that pass a lot.

 

Guys, Ray Lewis has managed to overcome killing a guy and blaming it on someone else to have a pretty productive career. Ndamukong Suh is a straight thug on the football field. I would take either on this team tomorrow.

Burfict might be in that class athletically. I'm not taking him in Round 1 because he's undisciplined, but there's going to be a point where the natural fit can't be ignored. The Jets are really lacking possible every down athletes at the linebacker position.

-X-

 

NFL.com has him as a 5.09. That's the slowest time by a large margin.

 

A big reason Bart is getting removed from the field is because he is no longer fast enough to cover on 3rd down.

Somebody brought up a good comparison for Burfict. Brandon Spikes. Slow as shit at the combine, great football player/instincts, and completely undisciplined with several off the field questions. Put him in the right locker room, and he could get his shit together and become a productive player. Are we that locker room after the season we just had? I don't know anymore.

 

Mambo, great points, although I think DND is a bit strong. Also, I'd like to have linebackers that are scheme diverse. I felt like the Jets got caught with their pants down in DB heavy sets last year and it adversely effected their run defense.

-X-

 

I am assuming after his 4.93 that we will have an opportunity to draft him in 3 or 4. So scratch my commentary. Obviously, I think he's faster than that, but it's really going to come down to scouting on this one. It's hard to tell sometimes.

-X-

 

Burfict dropping to day 3 probably now.

 

Sounds like the Jets type of player.

 

There is a difference between playing angry and hurting your team. Suh is over the edge often, but is a true game changer at DT, so the Lions will live with the growing pains. Lewis plays angry, but not stupid. Burfict does not live on the edge, but so far past it you can't see where it went. Over agressive, over persues, and often taking stupid personal foul penalties. Then by all accounts the kid did nothing to help his cause in the interviews. This I want nothing to do with him at this point. There are far better ways to help our team in the draft.

 

Dude.. No.

The only reason they took Bart Scott out of the lineup as much as they did is because they felt he had become a true liability in coverage. That is the only reason he was getting yanked out of the lineup.

Normally you have your two inside guy's playing on third downs. The first two years Bart Scott was here he played a significant amount more than that third year under Rex Ryan.

 

This guy is a walking nightmare. He's slow, uncoachable, has serious character concerns, is weak, and had a horrible Combine. I wouldn't sign him as a UDFA. He will just be a waste of time.

 

I think this is overreacting.

If we got him in the 3rd it would be a helluva deal, if we got him in the 4th or later it would be the steal of the draft.

Look at all the horrible issues people had with Dez Bryant. This guy was a trouble maker, misfit, ncaa violations, MASSIVE ego, legal problems, doubted his competitiveness etc etc.

And on the field the guys a freak. Sure he had a pretty damn solid combine, but the draft is all about value.

Do you take a guy like him in the first, fuck no.

In the second, maybee the later half IF you have a need. Once you start getting to middle rounds the reward just outweighs the risk so much. Worst case scenario you throw out a 3rd or 4th round pick, best case scenario you drafted a guy for a middle pick who plays good enuf on the field to have gone in the 1st, but was such a shithead that hes now getting paid peanuts for the next 4-5 years.

 

You draft a player that is uncoachable, slow, weak, plays out of control, is immature and has major character concerns? That's a sure way to get yourself fired. The Jets don't need the distraction or waste of time.

If he's so talented, why couldn't get on the field this past year and why did he play so poorly. It's because he just goes for the big hit and makes the same stupid mistakes over and over.

 

And Burfict isn't. The only reason why people still had Burfict going in the 2nd round before the combine, was because everyone thought he was some freak athlete. Turns out, he's one of the worst athletes at the line backer position. If you watch Burfict play, he's over-aggressive and misreads plays a lot. He'll make one highlight play every 20 plays, and that's the only play people looked at; ignoring the 19 other poor plays. He's basically a slower Jonathan Vilma.

I've been touting Perry, DeCastro, and Reiff and have been opposed to Burfict since the end of college football season. I can't believe I was fooled into believing Burfict was a great athlete.