Wrong! Rex is not in total control. Head Coach "Coach" as in present team. General Manager "Manager" as in Future and base of team.
Mangini has picked at considerably higher spots than Ryan and had one of the biggest misses ever. Mangini never had to deal with the final four rules. Also, Tanny was the GM then so it is strange giving Mangini and Ryan all the credit for the drafts. Also giving Mangini credit for giving us Braylon and Sanchez seems like stretching the truth to benefit your argument. Do we give Pete Caroll credit for letting us draft Joe MgKnight? Braylon happened under Rex's observation. If you give credit to Mangini then any trade made under Mangini has to be given to the coach on the other team we traded with. Overall I think coaches have some say if they like the pick or not, but Tanny and the scouts do the drafting.
i said Mangini was responsible for all the real talent on the Jets i wasnt including draft busts.It isnt Manginis fault gholston was a bust.He had all the signs of being a tremendous player in college
u make no sense saying well Tanny was the GM then. He Still is the GM and our draft picks have been awful since the Ryan era!!!You giving Tanny al the credit for the Mangini era???But your giving Rex all the blame for this era????
I think the problem is the win-now mentality. Giving away draft choices to move up in the draft has to stop. We should be thinking about trading players for more choices and moving down in the draft for players. We have a definite lack of quality first line and back-up players. IMO this philosophy is a product of Woody and Tannenbaum.
if Mangini didnt have a big role in this then why havent we drafted any real solid starters in the last 2 years???Shonn Grenne is a solid num 2 Kyle Wilson is a num 3 corner Mcknight is a number three running back Kerley is a number 3 or 4 reciver .Wilkerson had a decent year.Powell is a num 4 back ????????????????If it was alll Tanny then how do you explain this garbage
And you thought my post was speculation?? The General manager is responsible for the acquisition of talent for the team, that's the entire purpose of his job. This includes, free agency, the draft, trades etc. The scouting department is the group of people who assist the GM in this capacity. True, the HC does have some input, but he and his coaching staff are largely responsible for developing the talent that they have and for game planning, play calling, and coaching the players in the games, NOT for acquiring those players. Rex and Tannenbaum have even said that Tanny gives Rex a draft pick every year which is what he used to pick John Connor. For those of you who think that the HC has more input in the draft than the GM, if the job descriptions of these two positions wasn't clear enough already, this certainly implies that the GM Tannenbaum is in charge of the draft and NOT HC Rex Ryan.
No I'm giving Tanny all the blame and credit. I was stating you incorrectly gave Mangini credit for trades that were made under Rex, you failed to account for that Mangini had higher picks, and you didnt mention Mangini's biggest miss. It's easier to get a really good pick when you picked top ten than when you pick late 20s. I was just stating you didn't give all the details in your argument, and that I personally believe Tanny has been the main person that made all the decisions. I don't give Rex or Mangini credit/blame because they are the coaches and if they are making all the picks and trades; we are in a lot more trouble than we think
i love how other coaches get credit for drafting great players but Mangini gets no credit.Go look at the players he drafted while in Cleveland there all succesfull starters mostly
Under Mangini had the 4th pick, 29th pick in 06. Had the 14th pick in 07. Had the 6th and 30th pick in 08. under Rex had the 5th pick and had to go QB, the 29th and the 30th. See the difference of about 20 spots in some cases? That is why there is a disparity in talent. And again, I beleive Tanny makes the picks and he was picking later with Rex as coach and thus there is less of a chance of getting a star.
You stated in your OP "We should give Mangini some kind of position with the team he has a good eye for talent. The talent Rex brought in compared to what Mangini did dont even compare" Good eye for talent and does not compare suggest Mangini was always right. Just stating that this is incorrect thinking and that of course higher picks means he should be bringing in better talent. Like I stated earlier I think tanny does the picking
What talent did Rex bring in exactly???? Santonio Holmes???who now has quit on the team?Bart Scott who also quit on the team more or less 37 year old Derrick Mason????34 year old just out of prision Plaxico Buress?LT?Who hasnt had that much of an impact??My whole point was that all the real talent on this team was here before Rex was coach thats all my point was. What about all the talent Rex let walk??
So where does Tanny fit in your world of how the Jets run? Or does he not exist and do coaches make all the decisions of trades and acquisitions? This feels like creating a competition where it doesn't exist. Tanny makes the last decision. We saw on Hard Knocks he is the one on the phone and the one that cuts people. All player movement goes through him. Not sure where you get the idea Rex is the one signing or trading for guys Basically I am confused why you aren't placing any credit or blame towards the general manager, the one who makes these decisions. In the rare instances of Bill and Shanahan coaches rarely make all the decisions you are talking about. Usually when coaches do, they fail at one of their jobs whether it be coaching or Gm'ing.
