The playoffs are showing you what you have in Mark Sanchez

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  1. Br4d

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    Roethlisberger has certainly been worse in the post-season than in the regular season. That said, he is one of the few QB's in NFL history that is not line dependent. The Steelers have had some major holes in the line in front of him over the years and he has still performed well for them.

    The Steelers identify run blocking as more important to their style of play than pass blocking. They have had several maulers on the line over the years who had problems in pass protection, Alan Faneca being the biggest example but there have been several others.

    Yeah dumping Sanchez would be like running up the white flag for the current regime and it would in all probability get them fired at the end of the season.

    I would not want Chad as QB coach for the Jets because the best thing that could come out of that would be turning Sanchez into an improved version of Captain Checkdown. Teams don't win championships with a risk averse QB playing for them except in unusual circumstances and I doubt the Jets could win one that way.
     
  2. CurbYourEnthusiasm

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    He actually played pretty well in one of those games (106 QB rating, 2 TD). The other one he shit the bed. Not that it matters, we lost either way.
     
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    That Jets fans are having these protracted spitting matches over their alleged "franchise QB" after his third season and 50+ starts says a lot more about Sanchez's play than the individual arguments themselves. The individual arguments sound all too similar to the ones that Bills fans had on their MBs while Trent Edwards was their starter, which does NOT bode well for Sanchez.

    IMO, the biggest problem with both Edwards and Sanchez are that neither seems to read/recognize defenses all that well, so their decision making is slow, and they tend to hold the ball too long. That leads to all or most of their other problems: sacks, fumbles, throwing late (resulting in INTs and frequently pick-6s), over-reliance on check-downs. They are reluctant to throw downfield and don't hit receivers in stride because they really don't see what's happening on the field all that well. It's also why they both have had success making "comebacks" late in games when teams played "prevent defenses" but have failed in games where teams played tight/aggressive pass defense all game long.

    I don't know how you get a QB who doesn't read Ds well even after 50+ starts to read them better. Some QBs pick this up faster than others, and some never figure it out at all. Best hope that Sanchez is a "better late than never" guy.
     
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    name me one big game Trent Edwards ever played in let alone won? it's nice to see bills fans finally showing their faces again.
     
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    This is undeniable.
     
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    Douche, that happened in the San Diego game...
     
  7. CurbYourEnthusiasm

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    And the Buffalo game.
     
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    I didn't say they were the same player. I said they had a similiar problem that leads to most of their other problems.

    You can defend Sanchez all you want, but if Sanchez doesn't learn to read defenses better and react faster to what he sees, Jets fans will be right here next season arguing over whether Sanchez is a franchise QB or not while other teams' fans discuss their teams' playoff chances.
     
  9. Italian Seafood

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    I think the Dallas game too. The blocked punt and Revis INT helped, but we also scored a couple offensive TDs in that comeback and won the game.

    You can also note that San Diego and (at) Buffalo were both three games over 500 when we played them. it's easy to look back later and say they didn't beat anyone good, but you have to look at how they were doing when we played them.
     
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    he stunk to end the season, the team around him stunk too but he's won too many games as a starter(reg and post) to say he can't play in this league and we can't win big w/ him.
     
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    Im not trying to make excuses here but lets be honest since game one you could notice the setback at oline. The guy has been hit/sacked, or blindsided 39 times, and maybe 20 that werent recorded. Thats maybe 60 hits or knockdowns he's had to endure. By the end of the season a guy is of his game and hurt. He got up from hits that ended many qbs seasons. Like i said,with a downgraded o-line no deep threat receiver and he still score 26 tds, 6 rushing. 18 int.
    Did you all see Stafford just sling the ball out for grabs to Calvin Johnson, in double coverage. jets missing a deep threat, Jets missing Braylon.
    Jets win more game and in the playoffs with deep threat.
     
  12. Italian Seafood

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    Most QBs have their ups and downs early in their careers. Sanchez had no grace period, stepped right in after 16 college games, and has had to grow up in big games playing for a New York team. This year was the first time he's really not had protection, it's something he has to learn from. The grass is always greener elsewhere, you bring in someone else and then what? Go through the same growing pains all over again? We have a guy we know can handle big games, handle the media, we can certainly win with him, so people want to give up after a rough stretch? It makes no sense.
     
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    Excellent post. Sanchez is as good as it is going to get for the Jets unless they crash and burn and get a top 4 pick in the right season.
     
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    Lie much? Sanchez threw for 335 against Cowboys and has done it other times as well. Claiming Sanchez has never exceeded 200 in any win, is a downright stupid statement. I have doubts you are a Jet fan at all making a blind bashing statement like that.
     
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    he was talking about playoff wins, his yardage hasn't been great in postseason but who cares? he's made plays to help us win and we haven't lost b/c of him.
     
  16. Italian Seafood

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    A lot of us sat at a playoff game in 2002, Peyton Manning in his fifth season, having never won a playoff game and got shut out 41-0 by the Jets who were a 9-7 team. Imagine if he were in New York, a #1 overall pick, five seasons in with the entire offense set up around him, having never won a playoff game and getting a beating like that.

    Just soak that in for a moment and tell me what you think would happen.
     
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    Thank you. Call me an optimist, but I don't think that will happen. If 8-8 is a disaster than Rex and Sanchez have done a good job changing the culture here.
     
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    Ok so he had 3 good games out of 16 this year? Tell me one quarterback who had a long career who showed up 20% of his games? 3 out of 16 games means your a inconsistent fringe backup. Vince Young, david carr, tim couch all had good games to. The JEts won't win shit with a inconsistent incompetent pussy as their qb. Sanchez has 2 years more in this league and then bye bye.
     
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    Best defense in the league which was also completely banged up and missing players. Nice try.
     
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    I believe he meant in a playoff win, but even so - I'll take the win over the stats any day. Who the hell cares if he exceeded 200 yards? Did the guyeven see some of the throws he made in those games?

    If he's going to insist on making comparisons, let's wait til next week. If Denver can go into New England this weekend and beat the Pats instead of a home win against a banged up team (on both sides of the ball), we'll talk.

    Until then, anything Sanchez has done trumps Tebow, especially since Sanchez has a nice little miracle run of his own last year - which people seem to forget to mention.
     

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