I've been on this board for a few years, I love it, and there is no finer. I don't post often for 2 reasons; I don't have the depth of football/x's & o's knowledge that the majority of you have, and as a result, I usually am ignored or flamed. Nevertheless, I am a JETS fan tried and true and ride the emotional roller coaster, with the rest of you. Having said this and deciding to change my Avatar, and Sig. and spending a great deal of thought about our beloved JETS this year, I propose the following for your consideration A) The criticism on Sanchez is undeserved and blown out of proportion. In a click click, I want it yesterday society (especially in N.Y.), the concept of development and patience are gone. There are many realms I will allude to, but attempt to keep it concise. The first concept I will point out is the rookie QB that comes out blazing and continues to grow without any sort of regression is un-realistic. We all know about the Brady's and Manning's but they are the exceptions, not the norm. Look at Aaron Rogers. He spent a disappointing 4–12 2005 season as the Packers' back-up QB behind Brett Favre. Rodgers had little playing time during the year. In the 2006 season, Rodgers was forced to continue in his role as the second quarterback on the depth chart. In 11/2006, Rodgers broke his left foot filling in for an injured Brett Favre. He made a full recovery and was ready for the start of the 2007 season. However, Favre announced he would stay with the Packers for the 2007 season, again postponing Rodgers' hopes of becoming the Green Bay Packers' starting quarterback. Brett Favre's retired in 3/2008, & opened up the Packers' starting QB position to Rodgers for the 2008 season. Need I say more? The rest is history. I would also suggest that when Sanchez is ALLOWED to play, UN-handcuffed, he is a quick reacting QB with a great skill set. Those who would point out that he holds the ball too long, has happy feet, and makes 'poor decisions'( yes he does SOMETIMES), can easily be attributed to an in-cohesive OL, unfamiliar targets in which there has yet to be a solid chemistry established. I also firmly believe that because of the lockout, lack of OTA's, shorter mini-camp, that at the very least SOME teams have suffered from these circumstances. In summary, I notice he always takes the high road when answering to his critics, has a fabulous work ethic and is GENUINELY proud and happy to a JET. While I don't think we are playing well enough to get into, or go deep into the playoffs' stranger things have happened. To be sure; there are flaws on the field and in the coaching regime, but may I remind our fan base, the teams that win championships, and are successful, are always TEAM players, with that concept firmly entrenched and executed in the heat of the battle. I love our JETS, and want only for this team to become cohesive, play according to the talent we have and not down to the talent of the opposition, and Sanchez....He's good, and if the circumstances allow, we haven't seen his best yet. Just my thoughts, Thanx for indulging me... :jets:
Very well said. I also think Sanchez gets a lot of undeserved criticism from fans and media alike. You have dumbass like Tim Hasselback questioning his work ethic, people not giving him credit for throwing 4 TD, blaming him for Broncos loss, etc, etc.
Well said. I have mentioned several times how the emergence of guys like Flacco. Ryan, Newton, Stafford, Sanchez, etc have kind of changed alot of fans perception on the development of a quarterback. Just because a guy can come in and start doesnt mean its not going to have any long term effects on his development. In Sanchez's case I feel he is on his way to becoming a more than compentent QB, and unlike Rodgers who was still sitting in his 3rd season, Sanchez has had the experience of playing in BIG games and knows how to win. If we give this kid some time and patience we will have our guy, if not we will always be stuck in our "poor us we cant find a franchize QB" when the reality is we never give our QB's enough time to get it together.
I think it's way too soon to pass judgement on Sanchez but I can also understand the frustration of the fans. I think the problem and most worrisome thing about Sanchez is that he is still making the same mistakes since year one. This,imo, is inexcussable. The other thing i worry about is his inablity to feel the pocket,which is something that cannot be taught. He doesn't seem to be aware of what's going on around him. That being said,I would love to see what he would do with a new offensive coordinator who played to his strengths. I believe Schotty is his achilles heel to some degree and thus responsible for his lack of growth in certain areas. I think we can all agree that Mark is better when he is rolled out of the pocket. He seems to be uncomfortable when he just drops back and it really frustrates me that Schotty doesn't see this. All in all i'm not ready to throw Sanchise under the bus. I still see a kid that can make all the throws and takes accountability for his mistakes and has a real desire to put in the work to get better.
Sanchez's accuracy this season has been horrible. That being said, I don't feel like he deserves to be criticized to the degree he has.
Our team will go as far as Sanchez takes us. It's tough to predict that he's a Super Bowl QB, but with 2 AFC Championship games, a winning record, a great work ethic and personality, and steady improvement in all of his #s, he certainly can't be labeled a bust. IMO, he deserves our patience and we stand the best chance to win now and in the next 5+ years with him as our starting QB.
By the end of Sanchez's rookie deal, we'll have a pretty good idea just what we have in Sanchez for better or worse.
This is absolutely true. I just think we need to see Sanchez with another OC behind him, creating an offense suitable for him, his strenghts and the players around him. Not to suffer because of an inept OC who can't seem to get everything out of his QB and the rest of the offense. If Sanchez fails as the QB of the NYJ, a big slice of the fault will be credited to Brian Schottenheimer.
I argue your point about pocket feel. I disagree because there are many times a defender is reaching for him from behind and I have seen him scramble to leave the pocket while its collapsing. I think his ability to feel that and scramble upgrades his pocket presence. This is probably one of the most mobile QBs this team has ever had. You absolutely correct. Its so bad that this year's accuracy is still better than last year's even after a 49% comp rate against Buffalo and the debacle in Baltimore. Thank goodness we don't need facts to have an argument...
good topic... i agree with you guys in that ppl are forgetting that great QB's arent made overnight. Many great QBs have slowly developed into becoming the stars of their team. we will not know what we have with mark until we try him with a different OC. schotty is incapable of putting together a top-tier offense. he has proven that to us 6 years in a row, with a shit ton of different personel. like earlier posters said, he is great when rolling out and throwing on the run. my wishlist: a new OC, a new RT, 1 more WR with some height and breakaway speed. if we can pull that off somehow im very confident we would get the most out of sanchez and be very happy with what we see
I'm not questioning his mobility I just think he doesn't feel when the pockets collapsing and he should get rid of the ball.
His accuracy is horrible every season. The only place where he completes a high percentage is in the playoffs. So let's hope we get back again.
One thing im holding onto if we do get to far off the path of the playoffs for this season, is that maybe they will experiment by taking Schotty out of the equation and seeing what Sanchez can do without him. Or with a strictly regimented change in offensive philosophy at the least that plays to SANCHEZ'S strengths, what seem to be his strengths anyway. No huddle(faster paced less thinking), more roll outs and such.
This is key. People question why Cam Newton is playing so well, and asking why Sanchez can't do the same, and yes Cam is a better prospect and a hell of a talent, but Carolina's system is fit specifically for Cam Newton. He can wing the ball and run it. Those are his strengths. And that is what the system in place allows him to do. (another example is Tim Tebow) Sanchez can throw the deep ball well, throw on the run, and PA very well. Our system does not accommodate to his strengths. Simple as that. Until we part with Schotty and install a system to his own strengths, I dont think we see his full potential.
Sanchez is the poster boy for one of the basic rules of the NFL: QBs tend to receive more criticism than they deserve whe the team is losing and qbs receive more praise then they deserve when the team is winning. nature of the position. He has sucked at times this season. He has been pretty damned good at times this season. Much of that falls on the poor OL play he has been victimized by. But he has still made numerous poor decisions, reads and throws. Hopefully they put it together now that we are into real football.
Again a lot guys in to that, it's not as cut and dry as you make it seem. The receivers have owned up to their part as has Mark, it's not only on Sanchez. He's completing 85% of his passes to Kerley and LT for a reason. Both Rex and Sanches have complimented Kerley on his ability to get to where he supposed to be to catch the ball. Not for nothing but in the 1st half alone against the Bills there were 6 EASY drops. That is huge for a QB trying to get into a rhythm. It's very easy for the fan to say oh Mark is off. The receivers aren't hitting their spots in many cases.
Now that the Jags have been sold they will be moved to LA & they will trade us a whole bunch of #1 picks for MS because in LA he gives the new team there a instant fan base :smile: :smile:
Sanchez is erratic but i blame that on poor coaching (Schotty and Cavanaugh). He'll settle down once they give that shithead schottenheimer his walking papers.
I have no problem with Sanchez. That doesn't mean I can't point out that he is not very accurate, has happy feet in the pocket and over all right now is at best a very pedestrian NFL QB. The problem isn't whether or not Sanchez will develop into something special that's something only Carnack the Magnificent might know but certainly no one else does. The problem is Sanchez unlike most high first round QB's didn't come to a crappy team where the team would be built around him. The team was already built to win when he was dropped in. The good is he has good players around him, and a D that keeps us in games. The bad is he is expected to do more than other developmental QB's who are surrounded by talent everyone knows has to be upgraded. Some of that is based on the economy, the PSL's the need for the HC to sell the fan base hard on a win now team. Some of it is how far we actually got which created the expectations game that if he developed this was a sure thing SB team. Now that we know this team is filled with holes on both sides of the ball and isn't going anywhere near a SB anytime soon, maybe we can watch and see if Sanchez can develop with a little less expectations for the team in general.
