Rex ... Do we really need to defer this week??

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  1. TheGreenCantona

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    I do not think so, you know we will have a few 3 and outs in the first Q , so I rather have the ball coming out of halftime
     
  2. ppls17

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    I think this envirement we are going into is exactly why you defer. You want there offense on the field first limiting the crowd noise let the fans calm down slightly before the defense comes on the field. A quick 3 and out will put less pressure on our offense and allow there defense to not play on as much of the adrenaline. I will say if we do get ball first thinking early screens and misdirection are the way to go since that defense will be out to avenge last year.
     
  3. TheGreenCantona

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    Exactly, he has called for the running game for a couple of weeks now but all we get is 2 nd and 9
     
  4. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    Really doesn't matter. I was thinking the same thing at first, but the more I thought about it, the less it matters.

    Typically, I like getting the ball in the 2nd half. It gives you hope if you're trailing in the 1st half. For example, down 10 against Baltimore, you always have the hope that if you score at the end of the 1st half, you can take the lead as soon as the 2nd half starts.

    Against New England, you don't want to get behind, and the Patriots are typically a great 1st quarter team, but it's not like our defense has a better chance to stop them if they don't get the ball first.

    I like letting the game settle down then getting the ball in the 2nd half.
     
  5. truthbtold

    truthbtold Well-Known Member

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    Ok ... I looked it up.
    In the 5 games since Rex has been here we actually won the toss, and deferred against the Pats the first 4 times. Heres' what their offense did on the first drive:

    9/20/2009 Pats 21 - Jets 36 PUNT
    11/22/2009 Pats 27 - Pats 34 PUNT
    9/19/2010 Pats 28 - Jets 19 FG
    12/16/2010 Pats 25- Jets 23 FG

    Overall, they've moved the ball well against our defense right from the start, but we stiffened to keep them out of the endzone. But still, 50% of the time we gave the Pats the first crack, our offense took the field trailing in the game. Wouldn't it be nice to actually take the lead for a change??

    For the record, The 5th time we played them (our playoff win) they won the toss and deferred to us:

    1/16/11 Jets 32 - Pats 43 PUNT
     
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  6. Hemi

    Hemi Well-Known Member

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    You cannot coach scared and change some of your ideas. You are who you are.
     
  7. soxxx

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    Remember all we heard going into the playoff game was that the Patriots want to score on us first and make us remember that 45-3 beatdown and make us think "here we go again" of course it didnt workout well for the Patriots.

    I want our defense to come out and send a message to Brady and make him think "here we go again", I want him to remember his struggles in the playoff game. Lets put doubt in that weak mind of his. He hasn't forget the playoff game, he said it himself that he still think about it and has nightmares.
     
  8. James Calvin

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    In the Jags game it made sense to get the opening kickoff. The jags didn't have the offense to play any kind of come from behind game, and taking an early lead helped our defense.

    Exactly the reverse situation in this game. You don't want to give the pats strongest unit to start the second half.

    But it's kind of like the opening pawn move in a chess game. Doesn't mean much in the 4th quarter.
     
  9. Rockefella

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    This is the first I've heard that they want to win. Source?
     
  10. truthbtold

    truthbtold Well-Known Member

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    not win ... that's spelled with a W, an I and an N.
    if you re-read the sentence carefully you'll notice I used the word BURY.
    no problem ... easy mistake to make. :wink:
     
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  11. ajax

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    Would rather get the ball to start the second half. Sanchez has been at his best when the Jets run no-huddle. That means there's chance Sanchez can lead the offense to score right before halftime & then start the half & try to put up points again. Also, starting the 2nd half with the ball means an incredibly long rest for the D (assuming the offense can get at least couple first downs).
     
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  12. PennyRoyal10

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    If we receive it actually gives us a chance of scoring on special teams. Trying to look on the bright side...
     
  13. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    Am I the only one that finds it interesting that the Jets seem to win the coin toss more often than not?
     
  14. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    Bet the jets lose the toss now.
     
  15. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    Well, then Rex won't have a choice, works out.
     
  16. AlioTheFool

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    I defer in football video games all the time too. Mostly because I'm confident my defense will stop the other team on the first drive quickly then I'll march down the field.

    The NFL ain't Madden.

    Deferring to get the ball to start the second half is fine if you are good at making offensive adjustments or coming out of halftime with a solid gameplay series plan. The Jets aren't and don't. If the only time you're going to be able to rely on the element of surprise is your initial drive, it should be on the first drive of the game to put you in an early lead.

    Rex's ego won't let him accept that teams do move the ball on his defense on initial drives, which doesn't give the first offensive series fantastic field position all the time. I can't find our average starting field position, but I'm guessing it's not great on our first drive which it should be if you're relying on the D to set you up early.

    The Jets should accept the ball to start the game whenever the opportunity exists to do so.
     
  17. BK_Jetsfan

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    What's funny about this (and I agree with your post) is that we are fucking awesome at halftime DEFENSIVE adjustments, and shitty at offensive adjustments anytime. So by the logic, we should almost never defer (interesting way of looking at it).

    All of that said, I've grown to be indifferent on the question of whether or not we should defer. I just want to see the Jets fucking win the game.
     
  18. BK_Jetsfan

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    I've thought this too, since this seems to be such a big question the last few years (should he/shouldn't he defer and why). I've never looked at how often we win the toss, but it sure feels like we win it often.
     
  19. patfanken

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    Most teams will defer,when they win the toss, especially when they are at home. There are just too man advantages to deferring.

    1. The home crowd will be at its loudest and will have its biggest effect on the offense.

    2. Since the Pats scheme differently for every team, all the new wrinkles the Pats have put in for the Jets will be at their most effective in that first drive, before the opposition has a chance to adjust.

    3. Stop them in that first drive and you are guaranteed to have one more possession than your opponent the rest of the way.

    4. Not only does the offense have to deal with the crowd noise, in the first drive everyone is so amped its more likely that mistakes like illegal procedures, and drops will occur before everyone is warmed up and into the game.

    5. Getting the ball to start the 2nd half is a huge advantage. By now you've see the basic defensive game plan and while you are making adjustments as the game is going on, now you have had the time to fully adjust.

    6. There is always the chance that you will have the ball the last drive of the first half and the first drive of the 2nd half. That chance to put up 2 scores in a row is well worth deferring, even if THAT was the only reason.

    7. Given how the Jets play, THEIR defense will the most dangerous on that first drive, before the Pats have a chance to see how they are going to play. If you don't defer, you risk having to give them the emotional lift of a 3 and out, plus all the disadvantages of knowing that they will get the ball to start the 2nd half.

    For all those reasons, I doubt very much if either coach will take the ball first if they win the toss. In fact the reasons to defer are so compelling, I'd be willing to bet that more 80% of the coaches who win the toss will defer on Sunday.
     
  20. MF DOOM

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    it depends on who were playing
    if its a team with an offence like the jaguars
    then we will differ

    but were playing to brady this week so
    if we win the coin toss
    we will recieve
     

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