Cimini - Greene doesnt fit with Jets zone blocking style

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    Someone should tell him what scheme they ran at Iowa. Hurrrrrrrd.
     
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    Yeah, he only had 1800+ yards and 20 TDs in a zone blocking scheme his senior year of college. Maybe Cimini would feel better if he had rushed for 2500 yards and 43 TDs.
     
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    That's just a poor way to explain the knocks on Shonn Greene.

    Shonn Greene has below average vision and limited cutback ability. Why that should be "a poor fit for a zone blocking scheme" is just Rich Cimini trying to sound like he knows something about football.

    How many running backs ran through the holes in Shanahan's Denver zone blocking scheme? What, did they all have elite vision and superb cutback ability? You're gonna tell me Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell somehow saw the field better than a majority of backs? Please.

    Find the hole and go. A zone blocking scheme is actually the best suited scheme for a running back of Shonn Greene's caliber. It just so happens that he's a running back with a finite skill set running behind a damaged o-line in an inherently flawed offense. Adrian Peterson would be a poor fit for our zone blocking scheme.
     
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    A fucking 6th rounder could run like a Hall of Famer in zone blocking scheme. Cimini just loves talking out of his ass.
     
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    Would make me feel feel worse, I think.
     
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    How is this piece of garbage employed?

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    If Cimini posted this himself on this forum, it would have been cesspooled.
     
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    Couldn't we just ban him?
     
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    Um yeah, I don't think Cimini is ideally suited to write for ESPN, although they certainly set the bar nice and low for their contributors. His talents would appear to be better suited for a magazine like Cat Fancy.
     
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    Yards per carry.

    2011
    LT-3
    Green 3.1

    2010
    LT-4.2
    Greene-4.1

    2009
    Jones-4.2
    Greene-5.1

    IT IS THE FKING LINE.

    If it's the scheme, then the scheme magically reduced LT's YPC down a full yard this season too.

    PS-I'm a random poster on a message board and I did more work that cimini did for that comment. It takes about 2 seconds of looking at stats to see the problem doesn't lie with the "Zone Blocking Style".
     
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    If you keep spending resources on WR and CB the odds are pretty good you will soon develop problems closer to the ball.

    Since 2007 the Jets have spent two 1sts, two 2nds, a 3rd, a 4th, 3 5ths, a 6th and 2 7th round picks on either WR or CB. That's 12 picks they've spent to acquire players at those two positions over a 5 year period. They've actually drafted 23 players over that span and 15 of them have either been skill position on offense or CB.

    The line sucks for a reason. The Jets do not respect the need to maintain depth there at all and any injury that comes along is going to severely damage the chances of a team with that fundamental flaw in their organizational thinking.
     
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    Cimini can write a sometimes okay but mostly garbage column passing on inside info, what's going on with the team, that sort of thing. But for him to try and do a story analyzing the game is bound to fail, as this effort did.
     
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    Greene is a straight-ahead power back? Aren't those guys supposed to create holes and run over tacklers?
    He looks more like fall right down at the line after getting touched on the arm kind of back to me.
    Once again, Cimini puts the Dick in Rich.

    Greene's production's gone down since Todd MacFarlane made an action figure of him.
     
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    I'm sick of Greene, run LT into the ground at this point.
    The last time I remember Greene making a big play was in San Diego against Cromartie.
     
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    I'm pretty sure this is the right take on it. The Jets can't get the running game going because the offensive line can't move the defense off the line of scrimmage and the Jets are throwing no slants inside that might force the LB's to stay honest.
     
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    to be fair college is very different than the NFL. He's not facing the caliber of athletes at Iowa he does now.
     
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    Thank you!

    While I agree with those who say that the line has been a problem, it's not the entire problem. Even when the line is at full strength you don't ever see Greene break one. He's unable to get past first contact. That's who he is. He's built like a bruiser but he doesn't play like one.

    It's sad, because we've seen that he does have ability, not unlike Sanchez. However, like Sanchez, without optimal conditions, he comes up short.

    As I've said, as a tandem back, Greene would be great. Put in a guy with a finesse style and switch back and forth between him and Greene, including on passing plays, and Greene would be significantly better.

    But if you're going to use Greene on every running play and LT on every passing play, coupled with a weak line, you're asking for less than 4 per carry. He just doesn't break tackles, so if you put him in a position where the defense sees the run coming, he's done before he starts.
     

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