Everyone (including myself) has said Sanchez isn't a franchise QB (up to now anyways) but reality speaking how many franchise QB's are really out there? Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, and Rodgers. These 5 Honorable mention to Stafford (IF he can stay healthy he will be, always liked him as a prospect). Solid QB's (not franchise guys but not slouches. QB's after the elite ones)-Big Ben, Vick, Romo I'm not sold on guys like Flacco, Fitzpatrick, Ryan and Freeman (esp him) yet. Not saying Sanchez will be a franchise QB or a bust. But just because he isn't an elite QB doesn't mean he sucks. If he can be a consistent/good enough QB in the regular season but perform above and beyond in the playoffs he would have been worth the 5th selection. Plus, he's in his 3rd year and has better stats then he did in his 1st 2 years.
Forgot about him, I edited him in. Though I don't necessarily consider him a franchise QB he's right below that tier.
Bob Griese won 2 Super Bowls without ever being an elite QB. Terry Bradshaw won 4 with nothing close to a passing title in his resume. Jim Plunkett won 2. The Redskins won 3 without ever having an elite guy. The Giants won 2 with Simms and Hostetler who were good but not elite. Troy Aikman had a lifetime 81.6 rating and only 7.0 YPA and won 3. The Ravens and Bucs won with journeymen. Eli Manning won a Super Bowl over the greatest QB jr in history. Ben Roethlisberger (who I actually think is elite) won 2. The answer as to how many franchise QB's are out there is really lots at this point. You have at least half dozen guys in each conference who are considered to be a franchise QB and only a few are really elite and the few win their share of Super Bowls and not much more.
I think a guy who won 2 rings, probably counts as a franchise guy... That said, I think your definition of franchise QB is top 5. A franchise guy, is the guy you entrust your franchise too. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Stafford, Freeman, Newton all qualify under that definition. Are they elite guys? No, but they are franchise QB's, with the potential to be the next group of elites once Brady/Manning/Brees hang it up in the next 3-5 years.
I have a related question based on the experience that another sport recently had with inflated numbers due to rules changes and some cheating. Who were the elite power hitters of the 1990's and early 00's in baseball? Did the numbers they put up contribute to an unusual number of championships along the way? The answer to the first question is nowhere as many as we thought at the time. The answer to the second is no. Mainly because a juiced ball and steroids didn't change the fact that well rounded homegrown stars at P, RP, SS, CF, C and 2B were just as valuable as they always had been and one team had more of them than everybody else. The repeat teams with Super Bowl wins in this decade didn't have all-world passers setting records in the process. They had excellent game managers getting things done while the defense took care of it's side of the field. The all-world passers, taking advantage of the rules changes that have neutered pass defense over the last decade, haven't won many Super Bowls. They put up great numbers and get their huge contracts and then mostly watch their teams fail in the playoffs.
I disagree. You put Ben on this team we prolly win the super bowl the last 2 years. And thats nothing against Sanchez, thats just a testament to how a play is never truly dead with Roethlisberger playing he plays like he fucks "he just doesnt know when to quit"
I don't follow. Brady, P. Manning, Brees, and Rodgers are all "all-world passers" and they all won Super Bowls.
Sanchez has that same trait. Plays well in the clutch and never gives up on a play. I don't think we win the SB last 2 years with Big Ben.
Clearly you have to do better than taking your team to the playoffs every year you've been the starter and appear in 3 Superbowl's (Winning 2 of them) to be a franchise QB in this guys eyes. Just because Big Ben doesn't put up the gaudy numbers like Rivers, Brees, Manning, Brady, Rodgers etc does not mean he is "2nd tier" the guy IS elite and just flat out wins games.
You should really put IMO in ur post. Big Ben wasn't winning shit against Manning and HE sure as hell didn't beat us last year.
Brady was not an all-world passer when he won the 3 trophies. he was a game manager. A very high level game manager but a game manager nonetheless. As soon as the Pats went to all-Brady, all the time, they stopped winning Super Bowls. Aaron Rodgers is more of an engine than Brady was when he won the trophies but the Packers are just 27-21 in Rodgers last 48 regular season starts. That's hardly a dominant performance by the team as he has been becoming more and more of the focal point of the team. Let's see if Rodgers can win another trophy. My guess is not. Don't forget that the Packers squeaked into the playoffs as a wild card last year with a 10-6 record and then won it all on a hot run. Green Bay is not a dynasty in waiting at this point.
Why is the thread title "Elite QB's" then the OPost is talking about "Franchise QB's" There is a difference. Mark Sanchez, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Philip Rivers Those guys are Franchise QB's, they all aren't elite though.
Aaron Maybin is a franchise QB. And your reasoning for Sanchez not being a franchise QB is laughable.
You should really realize you dont have to agree with me. His one game against Manning and your going to tell me the guy hasnt been big when it matters? 10-3 Playoff Record Yeah the super bowl vs the colts speaks for itself. how about the SB vs the cardinals? How about coming out in their first two drives 7 for 8 and 122 yards? 21 for 30 and 256 yards 1 td 1 int not glamorous, 88 yards down the field with a little over 2 minutes on the clock. plus the pass to Holmes was one of the best catches I've ever seen. Tell me the pass had nothing to do with it? [YOUTUBE]24k3PCL4prU[/YOUTUBE] and as far as Ben not beating the jets........... [YOUTUBE]3nJ0l4ENE_Q[/YOUTUBE] that 3rd down play was a play where we shouldve at least gotten one possession back the way we were playing. guess what he extended the play again and made it happen. for the mobility Sanchez has, he cant shake off defenders like Ben, almost nobody can. and its not like Ben cant move around either I'm not condemning sanchez, just disagreeing with anyone who says Ben is not a franchise qb
