did you ever stop to realize how many guys/talent we had to let walk away cause so much cap space was being tied up by one guy who only played 36 games in 5 years? :sad:
I'm not sure how this is at all relevant to what I asked. Besides, Penny sure looked like he deserved the deal after his '02 season...it's just a bad break for the franchise that he's floundered since then. I would like to cut him if it helps the team, but I don't know if his contract terms will allow for an easy, costless break.
You are so misguided I can't even comment. Pennington signed the contract before he got hurt and after he looked like a QB that could lead the Jets to a SB. If you can find me a post where you say he would be hurt before his shoulder injury, I'll give you credit. Otherwise, you are the epitome of a Monday Morning QB. You are a one trick pony every year, no matter what. Every post is the same. It's like ground hog day. OK, we get it - you don't like Pennington's arm strength. Do you have ANYTHING else to add to the discussion, which, by the way, had to do with the 4 QB rotation and whether it was good for ANY of the four. This is not a thread about Pennington. We will see if he is healthy or not. If not, he'll be gone or put on IR. If he is, he will be the first or second string QB.
You really are clueless. It would kill our cap to cut Pennington. He is NOT cuttable. Start from there. Besides that, every FA we lost was grossly overpaid by other teams... McKenzie, Abraham, Ferguson, Jordan....
I just want the best QB to start and I don't care who it is as long as that person produces. If Clemens is the best then start him and the same goes for Bollinger. I think next year Clemens starts and Bollinger will be the backup.
well right now the first team reps are going to pennington and ramsey. so obviously mangini realistically knows that #10 or #11 will be on the field in tennessee come september
It seems clear already that Penny isn't going to cut it under centre this year: Mangini has a decision that he has to make (because of cap reasons), but which goes against the philosophy that he is trying to instill in the Jets. The philosophy is 'Performance Plays", ie those that perform will stay on the roster and get the starting positions. Problem is Pennington cannot perform, but because of cap reasons Mangini has to keep him: it's a decision that will undermine what Mangini's trying to bring to the Jets. I feel very sorry for Pennington...a supremely talented footballer and natural competitor who has had the tools he needs to compete taken away from him. The contract he signed way back is now a millstone around the necks of the new FO.....and a drag on what Mangini is trying to do with the franchise. We have to keep Pennington, that much is clear.....but in doing so Mangini's new philosophy has had a torpedo put through it already.
Actually...it's pretty clear that Penny will be under center in Tennessee. A few Tylenol 800s and maybe a Midol and he's good to go!
Why is a sports injury from 15 years ago even relevant today? That makes no sense... sports medicine today is substantially different that even 3 years ago. To compare the two is illogical.
Why is a sports injury from 15 years ago even relevant today? That makes no sense... sports medicine today is substantially different than even 3 years ago. To compare the two is illogical.
Fair enough, Ohio....from early reports in camp, Penny is facing an uphill battle: have nothing but respect for the lad and truly hope he can get back to where he was. I have my doubts, though, and think the previous FO have painted us into a corner with his contract.
Granted, Bomber, the contract does indeed have the Jets hamstrung. I'm a fan of Chadwick's, but I'm a realist too. It will be tough. Thanks for not taking my comments the wrong way... it's obvious everyone on the board wants the best for the team, regardless how it plays out.
Yes that article should have CP worried...but I bring somewhat good news on each surgery. I did some research. According to your article Majkowski's tear to his rotator cuff was an enormous 2"...meaning most, or all, of his cartilage leaked out and is non replaceable. The fact that he even threw again was a miracle. Here are my findings: 1. Pennington's first tear was only 2 centimeters long which is miniscule but enough to cause pain and would eventually get bigger. Minimal leakage occured. This is why CP was able to finish out the 04 season. 2. The second part that I found is better news...the second surgery that CP had was not to his rotator cuff! His rotator cuff held up fine in the pounding he took in the first 3 games. It is a muscle underneath the rotator cuff that tore and though I could not find the exact size of the tear there is no cartiledge within this muscle to leak and therefore does not affect his throwing motion or power. Dr. Andrews expected a full recovery. Hopefully this gives an optimistic PoV towards Pennington return. It shed some light for me and I am not a Chad supporter or naysayer...I just want the Jets to win! Here is the link to backup my findings on point 2. http://jets.scout.com/2/450446.html
:up: winston, thanks for pointing that out. some people are a one-trick pony: stuck in 2002, unabashed homers, refuse to see reality. :sad:
:rofl: As for the players, well, some of them will oil their mouths up when they are paid for it. Who can forget those memorable words Checkbook Chad Pennington voiced during the 2004 season? "It's not your right (to cover the Jets)," Pennington said. "It's a privilege." This is the same guy who, in 2003, authored his own media blackout, which conveniently did not extend to his paid gig on ESPN-1050 radio. from sunday's ny daily news. you are the one who's clueless.:shit: " checkbook chad" priceless!
I am willing to wait and see if Pennington can come back before I pass judgment. You, on the other hand, have already decided he cannot come back and this is not based on any medical evidence, because you don't have it, nor is it based on performance because nobody has seen Pennington play since Jacksonville. What you fail to acknowledge is that Pennington has won when he has played. He is 21-16 since 2002 while all other QBs are 8-19 with the same team. As for 2003, he did not have a mediocre season. You have to remember the games and the situations. He had one horrible game against New England where he threw 5 picks. Even with that performance, the Jets lost 21-16 and Pennington had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win. If you recall, the Jet defense was horrible in 2003 - slow, couldn't stop the run or get off the field on 3rd down. Even with this, Pennington beat Jacksonville with a last minute TD, best a playoff bound Titan team on Monday Night, beat Oakland in Oakland with a last minute TD and 2 pt conversion to send the game into OT and the win in OT, and a win at home against Pittsburgh in the snow when nobody could pass. Even his losses were good performances. How about the Giant game when he brought the Jets back from 14 down in the 4th quarter to tie the game and then drove the Jets into FG range only to have Brien blow the game with a delay of game penalty. Or Indianapolis when he put up almost 30 points in less than 20 minutes of time of possession but the defense let him down. Or Miami when he drove the Jets into the lead late in the game only to have the defense blow it. The only bad games he had that year were against the Pats and at Buffalo. And then you completely ignore the 2004 season as if it never happened. 10 wins and a road playoff win was a mirage? And so was Pennington's 92 QB rating? I'm not expecting a winning season from the Jets this year. I am quite realistic. But I can't sit back and let you ignorantly knock a player who has played very well for this franchise, who was paid fairly before he got hurt, and whose only fault has been to get injured. If he can't make it, we'll know. But for you to constantly criticize him for his arm strength is getting old, tired and boring. How about we wait and see if he can play before we retire him?
