People need to get over Herm. His day was done with the Jets, but he wasn't a piece of human waste, he was a guy with some good initial ideas and a team-oriented management concept who stabilized the franchise, brought Chad Pennington to the fore, and helped the team get into a rare rhythm for a couple of seasons. Then he came up empty when it was time for a second act to his play, after the end of the 2004 season in Pittsburgh. Herm wasn't evil or stupid, but he lacked loyalty to his coaching staff or interest in his younger prospects, and was limited in terms of game planning and clock management. He wasn't going to change, at least until he lost his job, and so the Jets did him a favor, as he did us by giving us a chance to start fresh. I wouldn't want Herm running things in '06, but I appreciate much of what he did when he was here. Likening him to Rich Kotite or even Joe Walton just shows how lacking in historical context some posters are here.
I'm sure Tony, MDbigdog, Mezz, NYjunc, Tbird, Dino, Jets in 2004, Buttleman, Penny & the jets shed croc tears every 5 minutes cause of his departure.
Racoons ate my Koi Fish...... Herm deserves a better fate - Honestly I think He would make an AMAZING High School Coach or a pretty good College coach where he can really influence people and their lives. This guy should be working with troubled Kids, turning their lives around... That should be his mission.... Not Pretending to be an NFL coach.. He seems uncomfortable - People ask him football questions and he starts Babbling about Chickens or Sweeping a floor. I almost feel bad - But, the guy is making millions and signed up for this so - Off to the firing squad. Can't wait for the Bang Cartoons.
Just to show you its not a hatred thing I have for Herm...your points are excellent...Herm Edwards would be a sensational small college or high school coach...for all the reasons you mentioned.
Did you guys hear about Herm Dick 'n Terry? His mother caught him. <rimshot> I'm here all week folks, try the veal.
I think that this is a good characterization. When the whole Herm saga was playing out I always said that I didn't think he was a bad coach, just a limited one, who had shown no evidence that he was going to get any better, and who was not capable of taking the team to the next level - that "second act of the play" you are referring to. As far as the question goes, I can honestly say that the only time I think of him is when I see his name come up in a post or thread on TGG. I don't think about Bobby Valentine or Art Howe, either - what's the point?
I don't think of Herm until each morning, when I log on and see this post staring me in the face. Thanks for once again making me think of Herm. I'll now forget about him, until 8AM tomorrow morning, at which point I will think again.
I like thinking of Herm.... It makes me laugh and Smile - Laughter is good for you. Thanks for the BUMP Guy !!!!
This sums it up pretty well indeed. He certainly wasn't a Kotite or a Walton but nor did he possess head coaching skills much above a grade of C+, IMO. We did make 3-5 playoffs under him, but I also think, in retrospect, we were damned lucky to be in several of those and I think even Herm knows that. A motivator, a back slapper, an excellent bullshit artist on and off the field?... Oh Yeah. But his game-day planning, coaching, and ability to make smart, last-minute, half-time changes and adaptations to what he found himself up against was attrocious. He often appeared out of step, usually behind the curve, and reactive as opposed to being pro-active when up against unanticipated adverse situations. Confusion comes to mind. In fact, once behind, he even appeared downright clueless, self conscious of his own inability now being exposed for all the NFL world to see, and this explains why he often "stayed the course" (i.e., running Martin, running Martin, running Martin) in those situations as opposed to inserting something new, some fresh meat (Lamont Jordan), or another game plan, etc. Lousy clock management, unfortunately, lets it all hang out and proved his undoing. Even several TV announcers recognized this, almost to the point of being embarrassed for the man, but even they were unable to resist making his abysmal clock decisions an occasional punchline. In short, the man was often overwhelmed and knew it, and it showed. It therefore surprises me that another NFL franchise is even interested in him. But, be that as it may, for us he's gone and that's a good thing and we all really need to just get over it and concentrate on the future. Still, for me, the thought of watching a few Chiefs debacles this winter will still hold a certain, morbid, entertainment value.
Sums it pretty good IMHO. I to am going to be Direct TVing Herm to get my kicks during this upcoming FB season
You should record precious moments from all 16 KC games and market the CD to college and NFL teams, titled, "How To Screw Up A Perfectly Good Football Team." My prediction is Herm will become the poster child for what NOT to do with a winning team. Kansas City fans have no idea what they're in store for this season.
Yes, I must agree. As a head coach in the NFL, he is waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy over his head. As a college or high school coach he would be fine.
10 defenders on the field in a playoff game!!!! Does anyone remember what/how/if he ever explained how this happened? I don't recall ever hearing anything about it after Madden pointed it out. I can't think of any clearer evidence that the players and not the staff were responsible for whatever success Herm had here.
