Don't blame Redskins' Snyder for trying to win

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  1. jetophile

    jetophile Bruce Coslet's Daughter

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    Don't blame Redskins' Snyder for trying to win what?
     
  2. Baculus

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    First, I mentioned that I would really credit the previous regime for the '99 playoffs. BUT, keep this in mind - when folks count the years that Snyder has been in charged, they include '99. Thus, if you are going to include '99 as a year of Snyder tenue, no matter, then you must include that as a playoff year under Snyder, no matter who built that team. If '99 was an awful year, I would most certainly expect fans to include this as one of Snyder's dismal failures.

    Close is not being eliminated in week 17 - that is simply being eliminated late. But you do not watch the 'Skins, or you would be aware of the painfully close games in which the Redskins lost in both 2000 and 2001. Close is when the team is on the verge of winning both games - having the capability to win the games - but losing the tight ones. In 2000, the Redskins beat both the Rams and the Ravens, and had some very tight games.

    This doesn't matter though, for that is the past - the 'Skins were in the playoffs last year, have improved the team, and inspite of criticisms of Snyder, he has indeed learned, Gibbs has the team on the right path...towards the Super Bowl.
     
  3. Sundayjack

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    Sounds suspiciously like my buddy Raiderjoe, who each year sees his team on the brink of a dynasty. The difference, of course, is about 6 wins.

    My own opinion is that the Skins would be well served to give the steering wheel to Jason Campbell, even if it means eating a few games. Better to find out right now if he has the stuff, instead of wasting a handful of seasons waiting to see what grows. This should forevermore be called The Ramsey Rule: If all you're going to get is mediocrity, you're better off getting it now.
     
  4. Baculus

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    I never said that the 'Skins were on the verge of a dynasty. After all, that's a very difficult aspiration in the modern age of football, and I'd like to see the team win one Super Bowl in the near future before I can think of multiple Super Bowl wins. Hyperbole isn't needed when I state my thoughts quite clearly.

    But I don't think my statement was outlandish. After all, following the 2004 season when the Jets made it well into the playoffs, I am sure that you guys were expecting positive results the following season. And that is the same with the 'Skins - it's one step at a time. They've made the playoffs, improved their team in the post-season, so the natural next goal, in a progression of improvement, is to at least attain for the NFC championship, and ideally the Big Game.

    Gibbs said it himself - winning a playoff game isn't enough. You have to WANT to win the Super Bowl and not simply stay pat at playoff wins. Wasn't this the problem with Herm Edwards - he could never get the team over the hump? Didn't you want more than just a pretty good record - who wants to be the team that never quite seals the deal? It's the same thing for us 'Skins fans: hope springs eternal, especially for a dedicated fan.

    I can't knock Jets fans because my nephew is one, and I have met some cool guys who root for the Jets. And some very knowledgeable and old school ones at that. Also, I know some Jets' fans hold animosity because of the Jets-'Skins free agent deals and trades, but really, there is little history between the teams for hatred, per se. After all, I reserve such rival "hatred" for the 'Boys, just like, I am sure, you reserve your hatred for the 'Phins and Bills. But I also appreciate that many Jets fans dislike the same teams as many 'Skins fans, and for the same reasons. What gets me, as a 'Skins fan, is the many cliches and oft-repeated half-truths that hound and follow the 'Skins.

    BTW, Jason would do best to sit and learn from Brunell. I hope that, if the situation occurs, when Jason takes the field, he's ready. But the 'Skins are currently ready to compete as a good team in the NFC, and Brunell is the best bet to carry the team until Jason is ready to assume the helm. But I believe that, if Jason studies well and takes his coaches lessons to heart, he will eventually be ready with time and seasoning. It's going to be exciting to see him develop in the future!

    http://www.nflplayers.com/news/news_release.aspx?id=5266
     
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  5. The Mariner

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    Whoever dies with the most toys wins!
     
  6. jetophile

    jetophile Bruce Coslet's Daughter

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    Oh. I got to thinking and figured it had to do with some Superbowl mess. Whatever the hell that thing is.
     
  7. SMoss89

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    Wanna know why Brunell sucked at the end of last year? Osi Unimorya hit him below the knees and re-injured the injury he had in 2004 when he absolutely sucked(theres a rule you cant hit the QB there now).

    Even if Santana Moss does go down. We have an experianced number one reciever in Brandon Lloyd along with an experianced number 2 and 3 in Antwaan Randle El and David Patten.

    How are we not gonna be better? We've gotten better since we added Andre Carter and Adam Archuletta( he fits our scheme better ). So were better on Defense. Then we've added versatile/above average wide recievers to our offense and that was basically our only weakness on offense last season.

    Finally, We've added one of the brightest offensive minds to the coaching staff in the league to add to our Hall Of Fame Head Coach Joe Gibbs and one of the brightest defensive minds in Gregg Williams.

    Chemistry has been a problem in years pass in Washington. But if you follow this team at all, you relize that this team is one of the closest teams in the NFL and already players like Randle El and Brandon Lloyd are already friends with their new teammates.



    The only problem we will have this season will be getting in sync with each other and will Shawn Springs cornerback ability finally start declining? If we can do that. Watch out!

    Although, I truthfully don't believe we become "Super Bowl Contendars" intill we have a young franchise Quarterback.(COUGH JASON CAMPBEL COUGH COUGH)
     
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    Sounds like Raiderjeaux after a few Hooked on Phonics sessions.
     
  9. SMoss89

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    Like you even have room to talk? Your team will be drafting Brady Quinn, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, or LaRon Landry in next years draft...


    I find it funny how sombody put " Were gonna shock the world and go 13-3 this season becuase atleast one of our QB's will be above average and explode!"
     
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    You're mistaking me for someone who cares to argue an unprovable point. But, have at it. You go on arguing with no one. Kind of like peeing in your snowsuit - enjoying your own personal moment of inner warmth. Nice.

    You're team enjoyed moderate success last year, and suddenly it's time to lock arms with your pals and do a Riverdance. Skins recent failures predominate; still, you count on volume to carry the day. Repeat it loudly enough and maybe we'll all look to Washington as a model franchise? Perhaps not. But good luck with that.

    As I said, it's just Raiderjeaux without all the mascara and fishnet.
     
  11. BIG COUNTRY

    BIG COUNTRY Well-Known Member

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    And Im sure the Redskins are gonna win the Superbowl:rolleyes:

    Next year the Jets and Raiders will suck and the Skins will be mediocre
     
  12. nyjunc

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    He sucked for years before 2004, last year was an aberration. You can't expect that to happen again.

    I like lloyd but he's really a good #2 and not a #1 and Randle-El is a KR. He's not a good WR- never hs been and most likely never will be. He's flashy, will make the occassional big play but is very inconsistent and is not a replacement for Moss if Moss did go down.

    carter is a pass rusher who has never even had double digit sacks and hasn't played a full year since 2002. he's a poor man's John Abraham. Archuleta is terrible, he had a good rookie year but since then he's been average at best. It's a case of the skins going pre-'05 and just trying to get big names rather than good players.

    williams is a great DC but why the need for saunders? KC had a millions weapons, let's see if h can reproduce that success in Wash. Wash has weapons but the QB position is a question mark and their biggest playm aker is injury prone so let's see what he can do.

    if Campbell can step in and play well and you can stay healthy i think you can win the NFC this year. CAN, I don't expect you too and I think you'll take a little step backward but you have the potential.
     
  13. SMoss89

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    Don't be suprised if he does come in and play well. Although I highly doubt he will go Ben Roethlisburgr on us but every article and every thing a coach or player has seen has been positive. Last year our defense was calling Jason Campbell one of the hardest Quarterbacks they had to go againts all season(practice).
     
  14. Cakes

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    If Mark Brunell plays down the stretch they are doomed. Best case scenario- Brunell blows early or gets injured so that Campbell can take over in October.
     
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    Uh... what?
     
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    skins would be picking that high too except they will trade their picks to get Testaverde after brunell gets injured:smile:
     
  17. Baculus

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    Brunell has had a pretty darn good career, but he had a couple of bum years due to injuries:

    http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=76

    30,000+ Career yards and 174 TDs isn't that bad, if you ask me.

    There are few teams that have enough depth to replace their #1 WR. We added needed depth, plus, weren't we told over and over again that Moss was going to suck? He did well, so it shows that players can play well in another system. BTW, we got Lloyd to probably be the #2, so if he is slotted as "only" a #2 WR, then that is why we traded for him.

    Carter has had 12 sacks in a season - his drop in productivity was attributed to being moved to a LB position. His natural spot is at DE.

    Archuleta will play the role he excels; closer to the LOS. And he hasn't had a bad career at all.

    http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=1743

    Gregg Williams is a defensive coach - Al Saunders is an offensive coach. Gibbs is taking more of a overall HC approach, will roles, such as play calling, delegated to Saunders. This is a common approached and one used by Dick Vermeil when he was coaching. It frees Gibbs for other team duties, plus, he basically admitted that he needed help on the offensive side of the ball - hence, the hiring of Saunders.

    BTW, KC had some weapons, but they NEVER had the WRs that the Skins currently have. Their main weapons were their RBs and TE, with solid QB production and a very good OL. But KC never had a stable of top-flight WRs; the 'Skins wide-outs have the edge of KC's, and don't think the 'Skins are lacking weapons because they don't have Tony Gonzales.

    Also, who, as their biggest playmaker is injury prone? What player are you talking about? That comment makes little sense...can you explain further?

    Why rely on just Campbell? If Brunell can stay healthy, he has the potential to take the team into the playoffs, at the least. I don't plan on JC taking the team that far if he does play.

    I don't agree with your post, but at least you had some football content - it's much better than "hyuck, you suck" type of mindless posts. :)
     
  18. Baculus

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    As if Carolina and the Seahawks are such the superior teams in the NFC?

    Your argument is not convincing. ;-)
     

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