Well, our top pick, anyway. Jolley's been pretty dismal and a definite drop from Becht, with emphasis on the word "drop."
We traded down a pick that would value at #64, the last pick of the second round. That's not #1 value, dude.
Um, from this website, dude. 04/22/2005 Acquired tight end Doug Jolley, a 2005 second-round pick and two 2005 sixth-round picks from the Oakland Raiders for 2005 first- and seventh-round picks.
I would have to say 1982..two fold..drafting bob crable(who was always hurt) over andre tippet..tippet,who absolutely killed ken O'brien during his tenure with the patriots and probably ended his career..and crable was always hurt..
But Carroll looks better when you compare him to what came immediately after. It's clear to me the Jets were overachieving in the first half of 1994 rather than underachieving in the second half. Another point to make for Carroll and also Joe Walton was that while they were not good coaches for the Jets, they were great in the coordinator roles they had before that. Carroll's DC performance in 1993 was the brightest spot of that year, while Walton brought out the best in Richard Todd and Freeman McNeil as the 1982 OC. Unfortunately, the Peter Principle applied after that. Actually, now that I think of it, Kotite was a damn good special teams coordinator for us in the late 80s. Maybe Groh WAS the most disappointing coach... Nah, I still say it was Kotite.
nice list, you gotta have Pennington on there though. Even though his career obviously isn't over, and he is/was a solid quarterback no doubt, since the list is emphasizing "dissappointment" he definetely dissapoints with how he started out and how it was brought down due to injury. On that note, i think there should be more good players who just happened to dissapoint us as fans, partly because they were good players. Some of those guys on the list just plain sucked and therefore weren't really disappointments.
#31--marion barber was a good player & doesn't belong on a dog list. The 2nd pick in the 80 draft--ralph clayton--also never made it.
I don't view Becht as a total bust, although his receiving skills were certainly not anything to brag over. He is a fantastic blocking TE, though, and was a HUGE reason Curt led the league in rushing 2 years ago. As for Jolley, isn't a bit early to be putting him on this list?
Carroll does not look better to me. If he said Kotite, ok I could live with the argument, but Groh wasn't a bad coach.. team quit.. It was actually pretty pathetic to see.
I think Kotite was Walton's OC. What I never understood about Kotite was how he went from an average head coach (he did get the Eagles into the playoffs) to downright horrible in a span of 2-3 years. The Jets hired him coming off a 7 game losing streak with the Eagles which included - if memory serves right - alot of strange last minute losses and he goes over to the Jets who were in a decline themselves. The Jets weren't any good anyway but then he started making some very strange moves, like putting Everitt McCiver up against Bruce Smith allowing Esiason to get the concussion and then putting that poor 5th string CB -Vance Joseph- up against Tim Brown in a nationally televised game as the Raiders scored 47 points- I'll never forget the sight of Joseph good naturedly laughing during the game, I mean even he knew he didn't belong in the NFL. And then came 1996 and again with all the fourth quarter breakdowns it was as if Kotite wanted to lose -although the players seemed to wear down due to the lax training camps. I say Kotite has to be the worse coach at this point -4-28 speaks for itself.....
I agree, Mr. Jet. You can talk about disappointing coaches, and I would say Carroll, Groh, and especially Joe Walton all qualify. But Kotite, even with the less stellar expectations we had for him, is in a league of his own. It's like Al Franken once said when NBC replaced Lorne Michaels with Jean Domanian as producer of SNL: "No English-speaking person could have done a worse job than Rich Kotite."
He was never an average HC.. The Eagles had a ton of talent on his teams that won games despite having Kotite as HC.. Once he went to a team with little to no talent like the Jets his true colors were exposed.
