points allowed per game by those Pitt teams 1974- 13.5 1975- 11.6 1976- 9.9 1977- 17.4 1978- 12.2 1979- 16.4 Many people consider their 1976 defense to be their best one. However, in the 6-year stretch of greatness that was one of two Pitt teams that failed to win the Super Bowl. In 1976, the Steelers won a playoff game at Baltimore by a score of 40-14. The next week they lost in Oakland 24-7. The Steelers were without both of their starting running backs.
Why does your entire analysis of GOAT defense only consider who they played in the superbowl? That's ridiculous at best. No one is saying last years Jet defense was one of the best ever. The conversation is whether this years defense can be.
An 80/20 running/passing split is far more extreme than will happen. The Jets had a 59/41 rushing/passing split last year, which is very high (by far the highest in the league last year); the only higher rushing percentage in at least the last 20 years was the 2004 Steelers (about 62% rushing). I'm sure that the Jets hope that Sanchez steps up his play so that they can pass more, not less, so unless he gets hurt I expect that they'll pass at least 42 or 43% of the time. If it's less than that and Sanchez isn't hurt it's good news, but not because running causes winning, but the opposite - if the Jets are rushing the ball 40 times a game it's because they're doing it to run out the clock, not to score points.
Yeah, it's not like Baltimore could control who their opponent was in Super Bowl 35. Whether the 2000 Giants were the #1 worst ever Super Bowl participant (I think they were) or if they were somewhere between the #2-#5 worst ever Super Bowl participant should not be used to disparage the 2000 Ravens defense in this discussion. The Ravens defense did the job that night. Zero points were allowed. Remember the only Giants points came on a kickoff return and subsequent extra point.
* Ridiculous, you run the ball first and foremost for one reason, to get first downs , then to eat up clock, football games are won 10 yards at at time, all you need to do is get 10 yards every 3 palys and you are doing very well and will score points. Its that simple. Its easier to get 10 yards than 50 yards.
* Actually i correct myself, the main reason you run the ball is because it is the safest way to advance the ball without a chance of a turnover, the second reason you run the ball is to try to get that simple yet tough 10 yard first down. The way the Jets ran the ball last year i bet if they ran more they would have scored more points.
That's a great description of professional football in 1935. It has absolutely nothing to do with today's NFL, as even a cursory glance at play-by-play would show. And are seriously suggesting that it is easier to put together a 15-to-20 play touchdown drive consisting of almost all runs than a 7-to-10 play drive that mixes it up with 10-to-20 yard pass plays? That's pretty funny.
but not because running causes winning * Im not sure if that was a joke or you are truly an idiot, all offense works off your running game, passing doesnt open open unless you are running good, all offensive scoring is based on running and winning is based on scoring, 1=2=3 you figure the rest out genius.
You called for an "80/20" running/passing split. You've lost the right to call other posters' statements "ridiculous."
You got it, champ. That's why the Saints and Colts made it to the Super Bowl this year: Joe Addai and Pierre Thomas were both MVP candidates.
It's always funny when people who are clueless throw around the insults. You might want to look up "West coast offense" on Google before you embarrass yourself even further.
We gave up a lot of points on special teams and lack of offense at key times. If we correct those two things this defense will be scary, possibly 8 points per game or less.
Giving up 9.9 points a game is INSANE!!!. Now that is a great defense. And the points allowed for that time span is fantastic. Now given the arguments, if the offense is more econimical and holds the turnovers down, the defense has a good chance to to something special.
I think what madjett is trying to say is, if you run the football w/success, you will be in a lot of games.
* exactly, when the Jets started going heavy on the run they won, Sanchez wasnt throwing pics when he was handing the ball off. When Shonne Greene started getting the ball alot they were pounding teams, Greene was the reason they won the games they needed to win to get to playoffs and win in playoffs, If Greene didnt get hurt they would have won the superbowl, when Greene got hurt and jones ran like crap thats when the offense fell apart. When the running game died, the offense died, the pasing game couldnt go to. If you knew your ruming game was better than your passing game why would you balance it ? you go with your strengths.
So you're using the 2009 Jets, the team that had more of a split towards rushing than all but one team in the NFL in at least the last 20 years, the team that had a rookie QB who was terrible for much of the season, the team that would have probably had only 8 wins if Peyton Manning hadn't been pulled in the 15th game, as the prototype for what it takes to win in the NFL? And you think that this in any way supports the ridiculous statements that "all offense works off your rushing game," "all offensive scoring is based on running," and the Jets should "run 80%, throw 20%"? Oh, that makes a lot of sense. And the most important offensive weapon on the 2008 Jets, for good and bad, was obviously Brett Favre. In the first 11 games the Jets were 8-3, and Favre completed 70% of his passes for an average of 221 yards per game, and had a +6 TD/INT differential; in the last 5 games they were 1-4, and he completed 56% of his passes for an average of 194 yards per game, and had a -7 TD/INT differential. The Jets averaged more than 1 yard per carry higher in rushing the last 5 games (5.6 versus 4.5), yet they scored 11.2 fewer offensive points per game (26.2 versus 15) and lost 4 of 5. So much for all offensive scoring being based on running; that's just not the way the game is played in today's NFL.
