^ chargers defensive scheme went to shit after 2007. reason why? couldnt get proper pressure on qbs. the jets defense? uh pretty damn good at getting pressure on qb's. i expect cromartie to be a monster.
There we go, that's more reasonable. I don't think you'll find anyone that disagrees both Davis and Smith have a lot of talent. To just flat out say they're proven and Cromartie isn't was dumb though. The reason Cromartie was available for us to trade for is his lack of effort in tackling and liability against the run. His coverage ability was still very good last season in a defense that was not suited to his skill set. This year he'll be playing in a pressure, man defense like the one he excelled in in 2007. I would absolutely LOVE if Kyle Wilson takes over at #2 CB. That would be big trouble for a number of years. I doubt it happens until next season though.
Compliments? Bill Belichick told Kerry Rhodes that he was the best safety he had faced in 2008. How did that work out? Randy Moss, after getting his ass kicked by Revis in the first game of 2009, refused to acknowledge how good Revis was. Didn't really matter, since Revis ended up being the runner up for DPOY. Compliments don't always equal analysis.
In fairness, I never said Cromartie wasn't proven..I said he is a question mark. Then again, in the same respect, Will Allen is just as big of a question mark, at a position that has to cover both welker and cotchery.
Jesus you can tell its the offseason. The Fins corners def have a lot of upside, but they'll be put to the test this year. Call me biased but ill take my corner's anytime
It doesn't matter, whatever negative adjective you meant to apply to Cromartie in that context can be applied to Davis and Smith in spades. In other words, unless you're referring to run support, Cromartie is far better than Smith & Davis today (even if he only plays as well as last year).
The difference is that he is proven, albeit in 2007. But since he has declined production-wise, and he was traded for a low round draft pick...he is a question mark.
And his declined production has been far superior to the guys you don't consider question marks. Let's be real. The only reason you don't consider Davis & Smith question marks is the colors they wear.
Bingo. And the funny thing is the Dolphins corners were amongst the worst in the NFL last year and they blame it on them being rookies and yada yada. Yet when they bring up Sanchez they say what a bum he is and all this crap and disregard the fact that he was a rookie as well. And Sanchez actually did something great last year, going to the AFC title game, while playing by far the hardest position on the field. I don't think anybody disputes that Davis and Smith have talent and could be good, but to say they are the best tandem in the NFL right now is beyond absurd.
The key words are in your own statement "prove this on the field" Revis is great, but Craomartie has not performed at an elite level for awhile now.
We keep getting into this argument about whether the Pats are still the best team in the division, and the usual argument is along the lines of "until proven otherwise." Yeah, there's merit to that, even if there's some hair on it in terms of how the Jets did better already in the most recent playoffs, but... If that argument applies to the division, how about it also applies to the fish corners who haven't actually got it done yet?
Even with Cromartie being a question mark (although odds are hell improve in our system). Kyle Wilson should at the very least be able to perform at least as good as Davis or Smith. Theyre all effectively still rookies, only difference was Wilson was projected to go a helluva lot higher, and fell so far due to mostly luck and one of the deepest drafts ever. Its unlikely hell be a monster right out the gate, but I definitely think hell outperform or at least match one of Miamis corners. Gotta give it to miami though, their corners have some SERIOUS potential, and they could become a pretty nasty defense in 3-4 years or so when all these young guys start to peak. Theyll definitely have the potential to become the 2nd best defense in the division
http://profootballfocus.com/by_posi...e=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1 Check out that link- it's a rating formula for corners. I'm not going to pretend I'm the expert on Miami's Corners, but based on this, I don't know how one can even make the argument that they are in the ballpark of Revis and Cromartie. The QB rating against Darrelle Revis was 32.3 Incredible. The QB rating against Sean Smith was 116.1 Morbidly horrible. The QB rating against Vontae Davis was 104.9 Absolutely awful. This matrix may not be the end all, but it's all I have to go on to evaluate Miami's corners, and I must say, I'm not impressed. They may not be as bad as those numbers suggest, but they are not equal to Revis and Cromartie- I don't care "which Cromartie" we get. There are plenty of better positional arguments Miami fans can try to make. Lets leave CB alone for your sake.
I agree. Revis is being considered the best since Deion, which means Deion still has reign. Revis tackles, but Deion was more dynamic - which goes to show how good he was. Deion could tackle if he wanted to, but as the clip shows, he made "business decisions." The fact that he played Baseball and Football at the professional level at the same time is the reason why he can act the way he does. Its one thing to do it in high school or college. But the pros? That's amazing.
Just want to add one thing: The Dolphins corners were not bad last year. You can post all kinds of wonderful stats that showed they were ranked low in whatever you want, but it had nothing to do with their talent level and everything to do with: a) Scheme - leaving 2 rookies on 1v1 island with no safety help is stupid. No wonder why we fired our D. Coordinator. b) Players around them - our LB unit was piss poor in pass coverage and both our safeties are mediocre cover guys... leading to the ENTIRE middle of our defense being a liability, didn't help us. I mean, I will be the first person to tell you that the Jets corners > Dolphins corners but to post any stats trying to belittle the accomplishments those 2 rookies made for Miami last season is laughable.
nobody is trying to belittle anybody......it is what it is. S.Smith and V.Davis still have untapped potential....but they're not there yet....to say they are...is fucking stupid. So basically....Mushin Muhammad=retarded.
Like I mentioned earlier in this thread, I think the whole point of what Mushin said was simply to give them some props and recognition, not so much to affirm they are THE BEST.
props for what? being shitty against the pass?? That tandem isn't even in the top 20. Your assertion just solidifies my opinion of Muhammad being a dunce....even moreso.
You're right. Mushin didn't answer the question. He went on potential alone. I agree they'll be a pain in the ass to deal with a couple of years from now, but the question on the show was who is the best right now. Revis and Cromartie is a tandem that the whole league is jealous of. I'll go by the pulse of the NFL teams rather than my own fans or fans of division rivals. Joseph and Hall was a good selection by Woodson - he answered the question.
