I fully understand that Haynesworth would have to play NT in Washington because they have no one there. But my question is... why can't he be a succesful 3-4 DE in an aggressive system like the Jets? He's tall, he loves to rush the passer and he more than holds his own in the running game. In my opinion many people think: to be a 3-4 DE you have to be somewhat agile, Haynesworth weighs 350lbs therefore he isn't agile enough. That couldn't be more wrong... sure there aren't many 350lbs guys on earth with the agility to play 3-4DE but Haynesworth is one of them... he is elite in rushing the QB and is very agile for a guy his size! The only problem I have with DTs becoming 3-4 DEs is height/build (Glenn Dorsey at 6'1" for example) and agility but Haynesworth is 6'6" and agile!!! In our system as a DE he would excel... and occasionaly we could switch to a 4-3 with Jenkins and Haynesworth in the middle... ouch. The financial aspect... his contract is now 16 mill over 4 years with 9 guaranteed... more than reasonable for what he brings. If the asking price really is a second rounder and we find an OLB in rd 1 I say go for it... What objections do you bring (except character)? 1)MBGreen: Haynesworth doesn't WANT to play in a 3-4 scheme. Mambo: He doesn't want to play NY (like he would in DC)... he'd play DE for us. He said he wants to be a disruptive force and rush the passer... and not just take double teams and stop the run (what the usual NT does, remember how Jenkins didn't particularly enjoy playing 0-tech under Magnini?) 2)MBGreen: As we know...the dline in a 3-4 base scheme typically takes on blockers as their primary assignment.....i don't think this jives with what Haynesworth wants to do.....which is why he's putting up this stink to begin with. Mambo:I disagree... in the 3-4 a DE HAS to know how to take a block since, unlike DEs in the 4-3, they are blocking for the LBs to make plays. But the fact they HAVE to know that (and Haynesworth does) doesn't mean it's the only skillset they have... look at guys like Shaun Ellis, sure he's more than capable at blocking but he's better in rushing the passer. I'm willing to bet that 3-4DEs block roughly the same amount of time one of the DTs does in a 43 system (because to me in a 43 one DT almost always blocks and one half the time blocks and half the time penetrates to make a play in the backfield).
As we know...the dline in a 3-4 base scheme typically takes on blockers as their primary assignment.....i don't think this jives with what Haynesworth wants to do.....which is why he's putting up this stink to begin with.
Ngata comes to mind when you say big DE's in a 3-4 I brought up this last week or so and got flamed be prepared. I agree with you most of the pay has already been given to him because of the stupid contract Washington gave him.
I disagree... in the 3-4 a DE HAS to know how to take a block since, unlike DEs in the 4-3, they are blocking for the LBs to make plays. But the fact they HAVE to know that (and Haynesworth does) doesn't mean it's the only skillset they have... look at guys like Shaun Ellis, sure he's more than capable at blocking but he's better in rushing the passer. I'm willing to bet that 3-4DEs block roughly the same amount of time one of the DTs does in a 43 system (because to me in a 43 one DT almost always blocks and one half the time blocks and half the time penetrates to make a play in the backfield). 1) read rotoworld (for the contract) 2) He has quite a lot of sacks on his resume... love or no love for the game!
I like the idea of Haynesworth playing in our defense, but I don't really like the idea of the man on our team. I'm a fan of all the offseason moves we've made so far (except Feely, but no big deal), but it's hard to argue we aren't threatening some of the chemistry this team had last year. Haynesworth is another troubled player who might not carry that same drive to work hard and win that the Jets as a whole had last year. While Rex is obviously a great motivator, you still have to worry about Haynesworth's attitude rubbing off on some other players... especially the young guys who see how much he got paid. So yea, he could be another monster in the Jets defense, or he could be another distraction. For what we'd probably have to give up it's probably not worth messing with what we already had; an elite and motivated defense.
Washington just paid $21 million on an option bonus. There's no way in hell they trade him right now without trying to get some of that money back or demanding a massive return.
We keep hearing about staying away from Headcases, and I disagree with the ones we have obtained, but I think this guy would be too much. He is the ultimate douche bag. [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5nlEA8BUTQ[/YOUTUBE]
Or Nose Tackle. Or any other position that doesn't let him rack up a bunch of sacks and get him a shitload of bonus money.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817854e4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true Since this deals with the topic at hand Redskins looking for a 2nd round pick. I wonder what they want for Landry?
I'd be surprised if he got dealt to a 3-4 team... I've read that Jim Schwartz and the Lions are interested in him and they have a very high 3rd round pick. But given that they'll be able to take Ndamukong Suh, I don't see that happening. He seems like an ideal fit as a 3-4 base end IMO, but if he doesn't want to play the position there's no use considering him. Maybe someone like New Orleans or Indy could offer their bottom of the 2nd round pick for this guy. Both clubs need help at DT and don't have many glaring needs to fill. Even a team like Cincinnati, who has a middle/lower range 2nd pick. That'd be my best guess..
Why not have both. Van Den Bosch on the weakside, Suh at the nose with Hayensworth playing 3-tech. It really doesn't matter who is playing on the strong side, so long as they can play the run adequately.
