Jaws: Kellen Clemens = Steal of the draft

sanchizeqb · May 13, 2006

Thanks for your wonderful insight, realisticduck. Hope you stick around for long.

WhiteShoeWillis · May 13, 2006

realisticduck said:

Obviously, as a Duck fan, I followed his entire career. And while I love the guy, I'll try not to be a homer.

Here are some things Jets fans might not know about him.

As you're finding out, he's a team guy first. After his injury, he gave up his scholarship so he could join the team as a coach to help Oregon's two younger quarterbacks learn the system quickly. The team won all of the games he helped them get ready for, except the Holiday Bowl to Oklahoma by 3 points.

2. He's tough as nails. His Jr. year he singlehandedly won a game at Washington State for the Ducks. Put the team on his back and refused to lose in brutal weather up in Pullman, Washington.

3. If he hadn't gotten hurt, he'd have broken every Duck passing record there is. No big deal right? Here's who he finished ahead of: Fouts, Van Brocklin, Harrington, Feely, Akili Smith (horrible pro but amazing college qb), and Bob Barry who was the number one pick the year before a guy named...Unitas.

4. He's got quick elusive feet, and broad shoulders. Looks and plays a lot like Jim Kelly in my opinion. Maybe a little quicker with the feet and doesn't throw as good of a deep ball yet.

5. He had three different offensive coordinators during his career and a new one his senior year. Learned three different offenses and thrived in all of them. (That might be the most impressive right there.)

6. In the USC game this year, he completed 9 straight passes against the Trojans D, four against Darnell Bing.

7. His sophomore year, he dislocated a finger on his left hand, played through the pain during the series on the field, and then AFTER the touchdown drive, came over to the sideline and they popped it back in when they found out. Unreal toughness. He's a farm kid..what can you say.

8. He'll take a hit in the pocket and go down with it instead of throwing interceptions. (Again, presence as Jaws said.)

9. He does a great job of ball faking as a result of playing in all those offenses. Oregon even ran the option some this last year because he's so good at handling the ball and making good decisions.

10. Very likable guy. It's team first, then himself.

11. He'll work until he collapses. Huge work ethic and he doesn't blame others when things go wrong.

12. He's a pocket passer first, looks first and then runs when it's there. Not the other way around. He outran USC's linebackers to the sideline for first downs repeatedly in the first half of that game this year until they realized they couldn't catch him from behind and had to take better angles.

13. Good throwing motion. Gary Crowton's the OC at Oregon. Former Bear's OC when they made a run at it a few years back. Cleaned up his delivery a lot already. Some work to do, but the ball's a nice tight spiral.

14. He's played in about as much inclement weather as anyone. Growing up iun Eastern Oregon it's raining about 75% of the year. In Eugene it's nice half the season, and miserable the second half. WSU, Oregon State and UW are brutal away locations as well in October and November. He plays the same in bad weather as good is the point. Unaffected.

The downsides are his height at just right at 6 '2 or a hair under. He throws a decent deep ball but Andy Ludwig never figured out that he was throwing it off half of the wrong leg until just before he left so he's still working that out. Againk, it's good, but not perfect yet by any means. By deep ball, I mean...anything over 25 yards. Throws a great out ball to the sideline, and has terrific touch on the screen passes and quick slants.)

Get yourselves a great tight end. He's a big fan of throwing it late, low, to the tight end to get the first down and move the chains. Used Wrightster and Day during his career to the death almost (They're with the Jags and Bears now.)

Another downside is that injury. He looks fine from all the stuff I saw afterward, and he's tough, but it's still a reality.

So you can see why he moved up so far on the boards. You guys will like him. And if Pennington's healthy enough to play a couple more years, he'll have time to grow into your system and could be a helluva QB for years to come.

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Excellent post.

Have you been a ducks fan long enough to compare him to other ducks qb's you've followed?

IrishSteveZ · May 14, 2006

Good read, thanks.

gustoonarmy · May 14, 2006

realisticduck said:

Obviously, as a Duck fan, I followed his entire career. And while I love the guy, I'll try not to be a homer.

Here are some things Jets fans might not know about him.

As you're finding out, he's a team guy first. After his injury, he gave up his scholarship so he could join the team as a coach to help Oregon's two younger quarterbacks learn the system quickly. The team won all of the games he helped them get ready for, except the Holiday Bowl to Oklahoma by 3 points.

2. He's tough as nails. His Jr. year he singlehandedly won a game at Washington State for the Ducks. Put the team on his back and refused to lose in brutal weather up in Pullman, Washington.

3. If he hadn't gotten hurt, he'd have broken every Duck passing record there is. No big deal right? Here's who he finished ahead of: Fouts, Van Brocklin, Harrington, Feely, Akili Smith (horrible pro but amazing college qb), and Bob Barry who was the number one pick the year before a guy named...Unitas.

4. He's got quick elusive feet, and broad shoulders. Looks and plays a lot like Jim Kelly in my opinion. Maybe a little quicker with the feet and doesn't throw as good of a deep ball yet.

5. He had three different offensive coordinators during his career and a new one his senior year. Learned three different offenses and thrived in all of them. (That might be the most impressive right there.)

6. In the USC game this year, he completed 9 straight passes against the Trojans D, four against Darnell Bing.

7. His sophomore year, he dislocated a finger on his left hand, played through the pain during the series on the field, and then AFTER the touchdown drive, came over to the sideline and they popped it back in when they found out. Unreal toughness. He's a farm kid..what can you say.

8. He'll take a hit in the pocket and go down with it instead of throwing interceptions. (Again, presence as Jaws said.)

9. He does a great job of ball faking as a result of playing in all those offenses. Oregon even ran the option some this last year because he's so good at handling the ball and making good decisions.

10. Very likable guy. It's team first, then himself.

11. He'll work until he collapses. Huge work ethic and he doesn't blame others when things go wrong.

12. He's a pocket passer first, looks first and then runs when it's there. Not the other way around. He outran USC's linebackers to the sideline for first downs repeatedly in the first half of that game this year until they realized they couldn't catch him from behind and had to take better angles.

13. Good throwing motion. Gary Crowton's the OC at Oregon. Former Bear's OC when they made a run at it a few years back. Cleaned up his delivery a lot already. Some work to do, but the ball's a nice tight spiral.

14. He's played in about as much inclement weather as anyone. Growing up iun Eastern Oregon it's raining about 75% of the year. In Eugene it's nice half the season, and miserable the second half. WSU, Oregon State and UW are brutal away locations as well in October and November. He plays the same in bad weather as good is the point. Unaffected.

The downsides are his height at just right at 6 '2 or a hair under. He throws a decent deep ball but Andy Ludwig never figured out that he was throwing it off half of the wrong leg until just before he left so he's still working that out. Againk, it's good, but not perfect yet by any means. By deep ball, I mean...anything over 25 yards. Throws a great out ball to the sideline, and has terrific touch on the screen passes and quick slants.)

Get yourselves a great tight end. He's a big fan of throwing it late, low, to the tight end to get the first down and move the chains. Used Wrightster and Day during his career to the death almost (They're with the Jags and Bears now.)

Another downside is that injury. He looks fine from all the stuff I saw afterward, and he's tough, but it's still a reality.

So you can see why he moved up so far on the boards. You guys will like him. And if Pennington's healthy enough to play a couple more years, he'll have time to grow into your system and could be a helluva QB for years to come.

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Excellent read thanks and good last point .

jetbugga · May 14, 2006

saw clemens against ou this year in there bowl game. looks smaller on playing field and loves to throw the long ball. main concern is he really tries to make something out of nothing which cost the ducks the bowl game.

The Green Dude · May 14, 2006

ok... i have to go change my pants

azjet · May 14, 2006

I'll start dancing as soon as I see if the organ grinder can play a tune. Clemens stated in a recent interview he was halfway between 6ft. and 6ft. 1in. I don't believe it has ever been an issue worth talking about because with all his positives, height won't matter, he'll learn to levitate. I can't imagine why he didn't go #1 overall. He does have a great press agent but he should change his handle to "semirealisticduck" or maybe "dreamlandduck". Fouts, Kelly, Unitas, Clemens? No parallels to Namath?

talbain · May 15, 2006

isn't he also the guy that picked the jets to win the superbowl last year?

Coach K · May 15, 2006

talbain said:

isn't he also the guy that picked the jets to win the superbowl last year?
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hes one of many guys . our name was all over we had a darkhorse thing going.

so that doesnt make him stupid, the guy was a former Pro QB, and even though not a SUPERB analyst hes straight forward and pleads a good case.

oldduck · May 23, 2006

jetbugga said:

saw clemens against ou this year in there bowl game. looks smaller on playing field and loves to throw the long ball. main concern is he really tries to make something out of nothing which cost the ducks the bowl game.
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Jetbugga,

I'm not sure who you saw throwing, but it wasn't Clemens. He missed the bowl game with the broken ankle.

Since Dennis Dixon (the starting QB for Oregon in that game) is 6'4, skinny and black and Brady Leaf (the QB who replaced Dixon and finished the game)is 6'5 and would have trouble outrunning some of his offensive linemen, I'm kind of curious who you were looking at.

Rambo13 · May 23, 2006

oldduck said:

Jetbugga,

I'm not sure who you saw throwing, but it wasn't Clemens. He missed the bowl game with the broken ankle.

Since Dennis Dixon (the starting QB for Oregon in that game) is 6'4, skinny and black and Brady Leaf (the QB who replaced Dixon and finished the game)is 6'5 and would have trouble outrunning some of his offensive linemen, I'm kind of curious who you were looking at.
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Jetbugga, You Got Served

LWC611 · May 24, 2006

realisticduck said:

Obviously, as a Duck fan, I followed his entire career. And while I love the guy, I'll try not to be a homer.

Here are some things Jets fans might not know about him.

As you're finding out, he's a team guy first. After his injury, he gave up his scholarship so he could join the team as a coach to help Oregon's two younger quarterbacks learn the system quickly. The team won all of the games he helped them get ready for, except the Holiday Bowl to Oklahoma by 3 points.

2. He's tough as nails. His Jr. year he singlehandedly won a game at Washington State for the Ducks. Put the team on his back and refused to lose in brutal weather up in Pullman, Washington.

3. If he hadn't gotten hurt, he'd have broken every Duck passing record there is. No big deal right? Here's who he finished ahead of: Fouts, Van Brocklin, Harrington, Feely, Akili Smith (horrible pro but amazing college qb), and Bob Barry who was the number one pick the year before a guy named...Unitas.

4. He's got quick elusive feet, and broad shoulders. Looks and plays a lot like Jim Kelly in my opinion. Maybe a little quicker with the feet and doesn't throw as good of a deep ball yet.

5. He had three different offensive coordinators during his career and a new one his senior year. Learned three different offenses and thrived in all of them. (That might be the most impressive right there.)

6. In the USC game this year, he completed 9 straight passes against the Trojans D, four against Darnell Bing.

7. His sophomore year, he dislocated a finger on his left hand, played through the pain during the series on the field, and then AFTER the touchdown drive, came over to the sideline and they popped it back in when they found out. Unreal toughness. He's a farm kid..what can you say.

8. He'll take a hit in the pocket and go down with it instead of throwing interceptions. (Again, presence as Jaws said.)

9. He does a great job of ball faking as a result of playing in all those offenses. Oregon even ran the option some this last year because he's so good at handling the ball and making good decisions.

10. Very likable guy. It's team first, then himself.

11. He'll work until he collapses. Huge work ethic and he doesn't blame others when things go wrong.

12. He's a pocket passer first, looks first and then runs when it's there. Not the other way around. He outran USC's linebackers to the sideline for first downs repeatedly in the first half of that game this year until they realized they couldn't catch him from behind and had to take better angles.

13. Good throwing motion. Gary Crowton's the OC at Oregon. Former Bear's OC when they made a run at it a few years back. Cleaned up his delivery a lot already. Some work to do, but the ball's a nice tight spiral.

14. He's played in about as much inclement weather as anyone. Growing up iun Eastern Oregon it's raining about 75% of the year. In Eugene it's nice half the season, and miserable the second half. WSU, Oregon State and UW are brutal away locations as well in October and November. He plays the same in bad weather as good is the point. Unaffected.

The downsides are his height at just right at 6 '2 or a hair under. He throws a decent deep ball but Andy Ludwig never figured out that he was throwing it off half of the wrong leg until just before he left so he's still working that out. Againk, it's good, but not perfect yet by any means. By deep ball, I mean...anything over 25 yards. Throws a great out ball to the sideline, and has terrific touch on the screen passes and quick slants.)

Get yourselves a great tight end. He's a big fan of throwing it late, low, to the tight end to get the first down and move the chains. Used Wrightster and Day during his career to the death almost (They're with the Jags and Bears now.)

Another downside is that injury. He looks fine from all the stuff I saw afterward, and he's tough, but it's still a reality.

So you can see why he moved up so far on the boards. You guys will like him. And if Pennington's healthy enough to play a couple more years, he'll have time to grow into your system and could be a helluva QB for years to come.

J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets
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Thanks for the information. I think point number five is the most impressive point because it speaks to his ability to digest information and adapt. Once again, thanks.

WhiteShoeWillis · May 24, 2006

Rambo13 said:

Jetbugga, You Got Served

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Zcore · May 24, 2006

talbain said:

isn't he also the guy that picked the jets to win the superbowl last year?
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Who knows what would have happened if all or most of our players stayed healthy....That was a very good team on paper... I didn't think they would be as strong as paper

jaywayne12 · May 24, 2006

realisticduck said:

Obviously, as a Duck fan, I followed his entire career. And while I love the guy, I'll try not to be a homer.

Here are some things Jets fans might not know about him.

As you're finding out, he's a team guy first. After his injury, he gave up his scholarship so he could join the team as a coach to help Oregon's two younger quarterbacks learn the system quickly. The team won all of the games he helped them get ready for, except the Holiday Bowl to Oklahoma by 3 points.

2. He's tough as nails. His Jr. year he singlehandedly won a game at Washington State for the Ducks. Put the team on his back and refused to lose in brutal weather up in Pullman, Washington.

3. If he hadn't gotten hurt, he'd have broken every Duck passing record there is. No big deal right? Here's who he finished ahead of: Fouts, Van Brocklin, Harrington, Feely, Akili Smith (horrible pro but amazing college qb), and Bob Barry who was the number one pick the year before a guy named...Unitas.

4. He's got quick elusive feet, and broad shoulders. Looks and plays a lot like Jim Kelly in my opinion. Maybe a little quicker with the feet and doesn't throw as good of a deep ball yet.

5. He had three different offensive coordinators during his career and a new one his senior year. Learned three different offenses and thrived in all of them. (That might be the most impressive right there.)

6. In the USC game this year, he completed 9 straight passes against the Trojans D, four against Darnell Bing.

7. His sophomore year, he dislocated a finger on his left hand, played through the pain during the series on the field, and then AFTER the touchdown drive, came over to the sideline and they popped it back in when they found out. Unreal toughness. He's a farm kid..what can you say.

8. He'll take a hit in the pocket and go down with it instead of throwing interceptions. (Again, presence as Jaws said.)

9. He does a great job of ball faking as a result of playing in all those offenses. Oregon even ran the option some this last year because he's so good at handling the ball and making good decisions.

10. Very likable guy. It's team first, then himself.

11. He'll work until he collapses. Huge work ethic and he doesn't blame others when things go wrong.

12. He's a pocket passer first, looks first and then runs when it's there. Not the other way around. He outran USC's linebackers to the sideline for first downs repeatedly in the first half of that game this year until they realized they couldn't catch him from behind and had to take better angles.

13. Good throwing motion. Gary Crowton's the OC at Oregon. Former Bear's OC when they made a run at it a few years back. Cleaned up his delivery a lot already. Some work to do, but the ball's a nice tight spiral.

14. He's played in about as much inclement weather as anyone. Growing up iun Eastern Oregon it's raining about 75% of the year. In Eugene it's nice half the season, and miserable the second half. WSU, Oregon State and UW are brutal away locations as well in October and November. He plays the same in bad weather as good is the point. Unaffected.

The downsides are his height at just right at 6 '2 or a hair under. He throws a decent deep ball but Andy Ludwig never figured out that he was throwing it off half of the wrong leg until just before he left so he's still working that out. Againk, it's good, but not perfect yet by any means. By deep ball, I mean...anything over 25 yards. Throws a great out ball to the sideline, and has terrific touch on the screen passes and quick slants.)

Get yourselves a great tight end. He's a big fan of throwing it late, low, to the tight end to get the first down and move the chains. Used Wrightster and Day during his career to the death almost (They're with the Jags and Bears now.)

Another downside is that injury. He looks fine from all the stuff I saw afterward, and he's tough, but it's still a reality.

So you can see why he moved up so far on the boards. You guys will like him. And if Pennington's healthy enough to play a couple more years, he'll have time to grow into your system and could be a helluva QB for years to come.

J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets
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Its posters like this that keeps alot of us coming back to this board time and time again.

Even if its a bit of a homer (not saying it is...nobody knows yet I guess), its so well thought out and done by someone that really knows what the hell they are talking about...firsthand.

Great post.

LWC611 · May 24, 2006

At the end of the day, whether Clemens is the steal of the draft will be determined only by his performance on the field during the regular season.

bird_1972 · May 26, 2006

First off, having Jaws' seal of approval on this guy means a lot. He's one of the few folks at ESPN that don't have thier heads in thier ass. He knows tape and he knows talent.

sweet daddy · May 27, 2006

I don't know much about Kellen...sounds like a good guy.

Ramsey is your man. Heart, character, strong arm, strong work ethic.

Jason Campbell will not be good pro QB. He was only a good college QB with a simple offensive system and two outsanding running backs in the backfield. His release is very slow and he processes the on field info slowly. I am an Auburn season ticket holder and watched both his bad seasons and his one good season. Please don't get me wrong....I don't want him to do bad...just my honest assesment.

AMJets · May 27, 2006

LWC611 said:

At the end of the day, whether Clemens is the steal of the draft will be determined only by his performance on the field during the regular season.
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redneckjet · May 28, 2006

Being an SEC fan, I never saw Clemens in action.........but I've heard good things about him for months.....based on what I've heard, I think we got a stud!

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