Bills officially ask permission to speak to BS

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  1. MBGreen

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  2. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but good effort. :)
     
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  4. Steve032

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    I feel like the Bills are looking to acquire a Brian/Marty combo in Buffalo
     
  5. Br4d

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    That should tell you a lot about the value of overly complex systems.

    Favre had the Jets offense running better than anybody but Joe Namath and he was running a hybrid of Schotty's system and the Green Bay WCO, with most of the fancy stuff from both systems chucked out.

    The Jets have greatly simplified their playbook in seven games this year (Oak, Car, @Buf, TB, @Ind, Cin, @Cin) and won all of them. They're like 3-7 in the games they have done anything else including 0-1 where they had the simplified plan going and then started throwing the ball around like drunken sailors in the second half (Buf).

    Why it took Schotty as long as it did to start simplifying things for his rookie QB is mystifying but he (not Sanchez) cost the Jets at least 2 wins this year by being obtuse and sticking with his overly complex system.

    BTW, if he goes back to that overly complex system Sanchez isn't going to have a lot more luck with it than anybody else has over the years.
     
  6. Br4d

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    That would be a good combo for them in resurrecting the franchise. It did wonders for San Diego.
     
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    If he actually took the Bills job, then you'd know he's an idiot. But he's not, and he won't. I'm pretty happy where our offense can go in the next 3-5 with Sanchez and Schottenheimer.

    I can't believe people really buy into Callahan...if he was a good OC someone would have stolen him by now. Not only that, but he'd just be doing what he did in Oakland and using somoene else's work and playbook....no way they change the offense if he was to take the OC job, and he'd be working with the rookie that Schotty has worked with and all the guys brought in or allowed to play under Schotty. Most of this offense is Schottenheimer's guys...The only starter from before '06 is Moore.
     
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  8. bushwicktarheels

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    I don't think he will jump ship.
     
  9. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Completely disagree.

    Mark tried to do too much. I posted an entire article discussing it. It's when Sanchez slows down and only tries to do his job, rather than create things, that the offense has success.

    But MS is a smart kid. He's going to learn Schotty's system, and when he "gets it" in full, he's going to look like Drew Brees playing in a Saturday afternoon flag-football league.

    That Brett couldn't "get" the system isn't an indictment of Schottenheimer. Brett doesn't "get" much. He plays like he thinks he's in a Saturday afternoon flag-football league.

    Damn I'm glad you're back.

    You bring up a fantastic point. Everyone gives Callahan all this credit for the success of the line and running game, yet how many teams have come calling for him so far? People are calling for Schotty though. Does anyone honestly believe that the Jets would be more willing to part with Schottenheimer than Callahan?

    Plus, Callahan has head coaching experience. Hell, no one is even calling to ask to interview him for an OC position.
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    It's like Jets fans are always determined to believe what they want, regardless of any evidence placed directly underneath their noses.
     
  10. Br4d

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    How can you not try and "do too much" when your OC is calling bombs off of play-action on the first play of the game?

    Look at reality for a change.

    The games I mentioned were games in which the Jets just buttoned EVERYTHING down on offense and let the offensive line and running game do all the talking on offense and relied on the defense to win the game.

    The other 10 games this year they did something else on offense and they suffered for it. Go count pass attempts and you'll see where the difference lay this season. Sanchez can't be the deciding factor trying to "do too much" if you're limiting him to 20 throws or less. That's what worked this year and it was not Sanchez who made that decision, it was Schotty.

    The Jets were only blown out of ONE game all season. The other 9 games they decided to pass the ball as much as they ran it were self-inflicted wounds and not by Sanchez but by the offensive staff.
     
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    You thought that was sinful too!!!?!?

    I was like "man, Schitty is so Schitty!! Doesn't he know Sanchez is a rookie and can't make those throws yet?!!?!?!? He should be boosting his confidence!!!!"

    Playcalling is such a ridiculous knock...It's nice and vague so it fits the profile of something a Jets fan can bitch about, but it doesn't make sense on so many levels.
     
  12. JCotchrocket

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    I don't see this as a valid argument against Callahan.

    By this same train of thought, is Rex Ryan an inferior head coach, since Baltimore, Miami and Atlanta passed over him for their head coaching vacancy?

    I will add, though, that I am extremely torn over what to think of Brian Schottenheimer right now. Callahan's contribution is an unknown; he is the o-line coach and the running game coordinator, so logic would suggest that since the o-line is our strongest unit and our rushing attack the league's best, credit is due to BC.

    Add to that fact that despite what Rex has been saying in interviews and press conferences he most definitely had a major part in turning around the offense. "Oh, you know... I just come in and sit down and so, 'OK' and whatnot..." Bullshit. Rex is being classy and deferential. "I'm going to take a more active part in the offense," says Rex, and then the offense gradually gets more effective, more consistent, and more in tune with Rex's philosophy.

    But then where does that leave Schottenheimer? He's not the cancer I once thought he was, because the simple fact of the matter is that he is doing his job very well at this point in the season. Is it because he's been reigned in by Rex? Is it because he's deferring to a strong assistant coach, Callahan? Is it because he's a very young coach who is just now coming into his own?

    I honestly don't know. I'd really, really like to believe it's the latter reason, regardless of how much humble pie I'd need to eat for being an impatient Jets fan, but my gut tells me it's the two former.
     
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  13. CheapJersey

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    I cant see him jumping to a division rival with less chance to make a playoff/SB run.
     
  14. AlioTheFool

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    You telling me to look at reality for a change is rich.

    WTF is Schotty supposed to do? When they ran more and passed less people were bitching that he wasn't letting Sanchez grow. When they passed more, people bitched Schotty was putting too much on his shoulders.

    Jets fans just want to bitch. Period.

    Again, we can sit and give credit to Callahan for the offense, or we can look at the fact that Schotty specifically said that in the Indy game Sanchez turned around and asked him to give him something easy to set him back on track, to which a shocked Schottenheimer said "Absolutely!"

    Also, like I said, the phones in Florham Park aren't lighting up with calls asking to speak to Callahan. They're asking for Schottenheimer. I'll take the opinions of NFL GMs and owners over those of a casual message board fan any day.
     
  15. Steve032

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    Mia Harris WFAN just reported that "the word around the Jets locker room is that Schotty has declined to interview with the Bills"

    I heard this on Joe and Evan, so I don't have a link. And from the way I heard it, it seemed like this was a rumor more so than a fact
     
  16. AlioTheFool

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    Adam Schefter has a report up on ESPN and tweeted as well that Schotty has turned down the Bills offer to interview!

    Count me as very happy with that news.
     

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