Excuse me while I cleanse myself of negative thought: I like the offseason moves, I think they're doing a decent job building the team the RIGHT way... I think it all starts in the trenches, etc etc... I am also GENERALLY a positive person, and eternally optimistic about the Jets. But... BUT... What if Mangini is a horrible game day coach and goes 2-30 over the next two seasons? Every poster is talking about a player being a 'Mangini Guy' or 'This guy should flourish under Mangini'. How do we know that he isn't a total screw up as an HC? I am very concerned that all this hard work and proper building up of the roster can go to shit at the drop of a hat. Could very easily happen. None of us has seen him coach game one as a head coach. This is the thought that freaks me out. We just simply won't know until it happens. Anyway, no need to comment... just venting a fear. :-D ps - I wonder if, way back when, the overly optimistic were referring to players as 'Kotitie Guys' before it all fell apart.
No point in worrying about something you have no control over. All we can do is hope that he does well.
I agree Chris I totally agree with you. Though I like our draft, I was concerned that maybe we passed on some talent for that "Mangini Type" guy. We drafted Eric Smith when Ko Simpson and Darnell Bing were both on the board. We drafted Schaegel when he wasn't even predicted to be drafted even close to the third round becaues he was that team leader type player. Take a look at Nick Saban..this guy is making a career on picking up players that other coaches seem to think will be a mess in the clubhouse. I was shocked that we were looking for a DT and passed on Rod Wright. He has been playing with that shoulder injury for two years and has been an absolute beast. Basically I hope that Mangini works out because I feel he passed on some talent for some smarts. This will be a good move if Mangini can use them the right way but I have the same concerns that you do. If he doesn't work out (which I think won't be the case)..we might be screwed for the next 5 years. Who knows...I guess we can't say much until we see the 2007 Jets on the TV.
He wasn't made DC for nothing. Would a great coach like Belichek name someone to be his DC when he could have done himself if that person was not up to the task? On the other hand, our last HC was never a coordinator and we had to live with that. So far, his draft picks show that he knows what he what he wants. He has been getting the players and coaches that he wants for the team he wants. Let's let the guy do his thing and see how it works out, just like we did with Herman.
I like Nick Saban ,the guy seems to not care what people think and is just getting the players who he know can play.Mangini seems to be a guy who seems to try hard to find these "hard working guys" who are not as talented as others, even though they are "great leaders".Mangini just needs to be himself and stop trying to copy Bilicheck's system. I hope Smith and Schegal are great players who fit our new system, and not just guys who were picked earler than they were supposed to be picked.
...I like what Mangini has done so far, but it's only a start. Your right, we have absolutely no idea how he's going to be on game day. I hope for the best. As far as Saban goes, he can pick whatever guys that he sees fit for his team, which is fine as long as he wins. I find him to be in the same mold as Jimmy Johnson, meaning he never met a criminal he didn't like. JJ won a lot so it's hard to argue his record. It will be fun in the longterm seeing which theory works because the 'type' player each coach is molding his team with is so different...
Who says Nick Saban drafted well or picked up his perfect players. You cant judge a coach by his first year by draft picks and FA's in yr 1. And if they didnt win 7 in a row last yr they would be garbage. Not many coaches make their mark in yr one and Saban hasnt shown anything yet. I kind of hope we will stink in year one, nothing worse than going 10-6 with a team in yr one that shouldnt go 8-8, then year 2 you think you made improvements then you go 8-8 and it looks bad. Its yr 1 with the new regime you cant go crazy on every move.
If it's the system that he's been brought up in, it's not exactly "copying" it, but following what you know and what you've been taught. Now, if another coach that's never worked with BB tries to do the exact same thing, then maybe you have a case for someone copying him, but really, Mangini has pretty much been raised in this system. It's just what he knows, and he knows it works.
i agree we wont know how good he is till he coaches game one, however mangini along with tannenbaum have done a great job in getting tough versatile players and both seem to be dedicated to this team(as seen in the countless hours spent by both leading up to the draft). I like them as of now because they are hard-workers but u are righjt that that all may change on opening day.
We still would have been garbage. Remember we only won 4 games so we werent capable of winning 7 games since we stunk. And Miami is not a 9-7 team. Miami is not a good team but if you think that fine I dont think they will make the playoffs unless they win the division. They still have holes on OLine their defense is aging and they lost 3 out of the 4 starting DB's. But they get Culpepper and sign guys like us for Oline and people think they are great. And remember tell me a player that started for them that got injured? they were one of the most healthy teams last year playing in meaningless games. Only one team is making the playoffs in this division and most of us are not fooled.
I understand your fear, but it would take MASSIVE incompetence to be a worse game day coach than Herm.
Yeah I'm not to worried right now. Most games that we'll lose IMO in the next 2-3 years will be due to the quality of talent on the team since we're in a transition period.
