Blame the OC and not the QB

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  1. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    I know the tendency is to blame the QB when an offense only puts up 7 points or when the QB has 20 interceptions, but to me the blame falls squarely on the OC and CS for the way they have completely mishandled Sanchez.
     
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  2. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Schotty came into this game with the wrong idea. The right idea was to establish the run, establish the run, establish the run, and then and only then to open it up if the situation warranted it. Instead he wanted to pass in the wind and cold and ran only as much as necessary to not look like an utter fool.
     
  3. Mambo9

    Mambo9 Well-Known Member

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    The problem is he ALWAYS does the same fucking mistake!

    We needed a game plan just like the one against TB.... you can't rush 32 times and pass 32 times with an injured rookie QB not used to cold weather!

    Schotty just doesn't fit our offensive philosophy... plus it made me think the only guy that ever succeeded in his scheme was Pennington (the most cerebral QB in the NFL). His schemes are way too complicated... fuck him. I hope he is shown the door after this season...
     
  4. martinsec339

    martinsec339 New Member

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    in schotty's defense we couldnt run for sh*t. we couldnt establish the run, the falcons knew we wanted to run and they stopped it. you cant blame the guy on the sideline for the lack of performance on the field.
     
  5. Baumeister

    Baumeister Well-Known Member

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    How about we put the blame where it belongs. On the New York Jets. Winning and losing is a team effort.
     
  6. RochesterJet

    RochesterJet Well-Known Member

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    the problem wasnt that we couldnt run, I bet we would have if Schotty aka shitty didnt tip his hand on every run play. He used personel that SHOUTED RUN to the defense when we ran. 7 linemen, a TE and Edwards was the personel he used on most run plays. But yes the did try to get the ball to Wayne Hunter on a pass in that fourmation....COME on. I form, Strong,, 3 wides....is what we should be running out of to spread out the D. Even I know that.
     
  7. 94Abraham

    94Abraham Well-Known Member

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    Establish the run? We were averaging less than 3 yards a carry most of the game and were stopped time and time again. Schotty didnt make Vinny Sanchez throw into double coverage repeatedly. Quit making excuses for this scrub. The blame for the lack of points is mostly on him. Sanchez is a defenses worst nightmare.....
     
  8. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    If the Jets literally could not do better than 3 yards a carry against the Falcons mediocre defense then they really weren't going to win this game anyway.

    Why do you establish an offense in the northeast around the run? Do we really need to talk about this? Ryan clearly understands that that was what needed to be done. He knew that coming in the door.

    This loss is on the offensive team that could not muster a good performance on the ground against a fairly weak run defense. That's all it is.
     
  9. Attackett

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    Why not put the blame where it really belongs, on the STs? The offense did enough to win this game and the defense certainly did as well.
     
  10. AbdulSalam

    AbdulSalam New Member

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    The offense sucked and did not do enough to win this game. They scored 1 TD in 4 quarters. THAT SUCKS.
     
  11. Attackett

    Attackett Well-Known Member

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    Again you fail to acknowledge that they were in position for THREE chip shot FGAs, the STs left 9 points on the board. Not to mention a retarded personal foul by Jones which took them out of FG range as well.
     
  12. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    yep thats about right.they want to put 8 in a box and schotty obliges them by putting all elgible wr's in a tight formation.so now the defense gets to put 10 in the box...yay!
     
  13. ace_o_spades

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    what happened to the rest of the op? lol
     
  14. 3rdAnd15Draw

    3rdAnd15Draw Well-Known Member

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    You mean establish the run that was getting 0 or negative yards on the first 2 downs and putting the Jets in constant 3rd and longs where the Falcons could bring pressure and force Sanchez into stupid decisions? The Falcons pass D is one of the worst in the NFL while the rush D is only middle of the pack and it was obvious they were geared up on D to stop the run as well.

    The turnovers are obviously a concern with Sanchez and the 3 looks bad on the stat sheet but ultimately none of them were really costly in the game, and aside from the turnovers Sanchez easily had his best game throwing the ball as a Jet. He made several nice conversions on the run and if not for yet another awful drop from Keller on what ended up being the 1st botched FG drive the Jets would've been up 14-3 and the game would've been over in the 2nd quarter.
     
  15. winstonbiggs

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    This was a clasic Rex Ryan game plan exactly as it was drawn up during the week. We got the lead with a big pass down field that was extremely low risk. We played D and ran the ball and punted with the superior field position the entire game. We won the TOP battle and we got in position 3 times for relatively easy FG. That is about as safe as it gets and is the exact formula that Ryan talked about when he was hired.

    The QB has been bad, the game plans have been suspect but today the combination of special teams melt down and the D choking when it counted something they have done 3 times this year and specials has now done twice this year killed us.

    Sanchez has been a clasic rookie QB not very good but this team is 7 & 7 for more reasons than just Mark Sanchez or Brian Shottenheimer.
     
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  16. Zach

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    If the defense keeps giving the offense half the field to work with, then it's the Offense's job to put the score on the board. Fuck the STs. This offense cannot even march down a bare 50 yards to score, let alone 70+. If the blame doesn't go to the OC, I don't know where it should go to.
     
  17. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    There's no need to blame either, our O and our QB played well enough to win. if we hit 2 of those 3 chip shot FGs we never have to sweat in that game let alone lose and w/ a supposed big time D we actually need to close out a game now and then. THREE times now the supposed great D has allowed an opponent to march down the field in the final minutes to beat us.
     
  18. Hobbes3259

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    Just like vs. Seattle last year...
     
  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Except this year the O did more than enough to win the game(and in case no one noticed we couldn't run the ball) unlike last year.
     
  20. Coach K

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    Schotty called a bad game, not because he let Sanchez throw. I'm sorry guys, when the running game is being totally shut down, not to mention 9 guys in the box like all day and we just kept running into the blitz.

    Fuck that, thats when you bust out the play action. Thing is, when we passed it was telegraphed, when your the number 1 rushing team and people dont respect your passing game, you dont line up 3 or 4 WR's and basically say, ok were passing now.

    And I'm sick of people being "dissappointed" in the defense. we left far too many points out on the field due to special teams.

    our defense was lights out yesterday. and I dont care WTF Rex Ryan says, Gonzalez shouldve been doubled up and jammed at the line MAN COVERAGE.

    I dont care if he was fucking tripled, shove the soft zone up your ass. Cause our players certainly didnt know how to execute that.

    that aside, on a positive note; Rex Ryan has brought a respectable defense here in year 1. we will only get better.

    the rest is hoping that Sanchez continues to develop and cut down on rookie things like staring down recievers and throwing into double/triple coverage.
     

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