Is it just me or do you ppl have a problem with hobson and thomas being our starting OLBs this season also. i mean or back-up ILBs are better then these guys. Are there any players left we can sign or any possible June 1st cuts that we can get to improve the position cause we need someone. Mayb peter boulware or tommy polley(if still unsigned).
Who says Thomas and Hobson are our starting outside linebackers? We haven't even went through training camp and you're assuming that? How many times have you talked to Eric Mangini's uncles barbers cousins dog groomers sisters aunts mailman, exactly?
Victor Hobson is pretty screwed. He will not play OLB. I am almost certain he will have to move to MLB. I think the one player guaranteed to start at one of the OLB positions is Bryan Thomas. He has great size to play the position. As for the other one, I have no fricken guess. Maybe Barton, but even he does not fit the defense well.
If Bryan Thomas is the only one guarenteed to start we are screwed. For four years now we've heard about all he can do--only to be disappointed watching him play. I remember in the NE game in 2003 when Namath was drunk, Thomas played almost every defensive snap and never got within 5 yards of the ball.
I don't think he ever had the necessary strength to play DE. I think he has good technique because he has played pretty well against the run in the past, but I think OLB in the 3-4 is his calling. If he works hard this offseason, he could have a good year for us. Something to note. While his sack numbers are not jaw dropping, ever year his sack numbers have increased. I believe last year he had 3.5. If he can add a couple more to that total that would be great. I think he could do it too. He could be our Willie McGinest. Play with his hand in the dirt on some downs, and others dropping back in coverage...other standing up and blitizing.
Rebuilding Year 1 can't plug all the holes just yet. I know that everyone would have loved Gocong but everyone was also though that Pouha was the answer at NT last year. You don't solve problems immediately in the 3rd Round.
Well it is pretty tough to decrease from 0 :sad: I hope the guy succeeds though as this is probably his last chance and we need him big. I also don't understand why Barton is scheduled to be moved to the inside and Hobson to the outside. I always felt like it would be the other way around as Hobson's slowness could be disguised on the inside and Barton is a little better getting to the QB. Shows how much I know :up:
Actually this is rebuilding year number 5. We have been in rebuilding mode since 2002 when we were forced to gut our team specifically the defense because of salary cap problems. While we are much better off now talent wise you are right we do have many holes left.
Lets see how they play at there positions first before we go critisizing them. Who know maybe one of them will blossom in the 3-4 scheme. It's not like were going to the super bowl this year or anything, were in a rebuilding mode. If they turn out to be bad then we will address those needs in next years offseason.
You couldn't be any more off.... Am I crazy, but weren't we trying to make Super Bowl runs in the past couple years...even last year we were all saying that in the offseason...obviously, injuries killed us...so yes, we are in rebuilding year 1 as last year we were thinking Super Bowl...much better off talent wise??? please name the players because from what I saw in the past years, we had way more talent then we do now...tell me the players we have now with the players we had previously, that could at least prove your point...by just making a bold statement like, "While we are much better off now talent wise you are right we do have many holes left." you need to show me how we are better talent wise now??? I do agree with many holes still left to fill in though...
the LB spots, and the OLB spots in particular are going to be the most interesting battles on the team this year. Clearly we have Vilma anchoring the middle, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Hobson, Barton, Kassel and Chatham play interchangeable roles, with Schlegel coming in on obvious run downs. That would allow us incredible flexibility in terms of who will cover TEs and RBs and who will blitz, etc., plus it would allow is to bring Schlegel along slowly - he is a rookie after all, albeit a boar-hunting rookie.
I'm not exactly elated with the LB Core myself, but I know that Barton and Vilma are playmakers and can be used effectively regardless of the scheme. It would have been nice to get a rush backer in the draft, but we drafted those guys b/c they were the best value at the time. It's an open competition from here on out/nothing is guarenteed including vilma's position at ILB.....he could end up playing OLB or only on 3rd downs who knows.....
A lot of DE's move to OLB in a 3-4 and are quite successful. Peter Boulware did it in Baltimore. That guy the Pats got from the Bears....he was injured most of the year...Roosevelt Colvin,(couldn't remember his name), I believe he was a DE switched to LB. I don't know if it will happen, but Thomas has a chance to succeed where others have.
i think he could be a beast in the middle, same with barton. but actually i remember barton being pretty good in pass coverage for his size. im not really worried cuz if hes that good of a coach he can make due with what we have for now. maybe 1 or 2 FA signings will do the trick. june 1st we'll see. IMO i think youll see Schlegel or Hobson playing next to Vilma. i expect Barton and Thomas at OLB unless Chatham can manage to break the lineup.
DEs that switched to OLB... Peter Bouleware Terrell Suggs Willie McGinest Mike Vrabel Andre Carter DeMarcus Ware You could add John Abraham to that list too since he played DE and OLB in college and the pros.
You can't add Abe to that list, because the fellows above actually succeeded in the switch from Dlineman to OLB- Abe failed and proved that he wasn't cut out for the system.
Thomas - strong side OLB Schlegel - strong side ILB Vilma - weak side ILB Barton - weak side OLB Just my best guess.
The other position the Jets may be looking at in the coming months is linebacker. The truth is, your can never have enough LB?s in the 3-4 scheme. The Jets are solid inside with tackling machines Jonathan Vilma and Eric Barton manning the starting spots, and should have good depth with free agent Brad Kassell and draft choice Anthony Schlegel leading a host of depth players. On the outside, Victor Hobson may lack the athleticism to play outside, and Bryan Thomas hasn?t been a stand up player prior to this. no i havent talked to Eric Mangini's uncles barbers cousins dog groomers sisters aunts mailman. But i do read the artivles in the jets site. http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_article?article_id=690&short_name=news
