Lets see how many excuses I can find for the team being 4-6

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  1. Mambo9

    Mambo9 Well-Known Member

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    Let's not discuss the most obvious ones...

    - Rookie HC: needs more experience on how to mangage the team/CS on game day.

    - Rookie QB: learning curve of a 16 starts college QB.

    - Injuries: LW and KJ are big for this team...

    Ok, now let's get to the things I feel no one has brought up (enough) on TGG...

    - New defensive scheme: From the knowledge I have of sports in which tactics plays a major role a player can't only "remember" what he is supposed to do on given schemes... he needs to have confidence in it, to ease in to it and tweak it to his strengths, to believe in it, to know what every other player and not only him is supposed to do.

    Doing his takes a lot of time, not only one TC. Rex's scheme allow the players freedom but ,just like Sanchez needs to ease in the NFL coming from college, our guys on the D need time to adjust from Mangini schemes/mentality to a TOTALLY different one. This isn't easy, sure you can learn what you should do but if you have been doing that thing differently for the last 3 years it might take a while before you feel "right" while doing it.

    Rex said in a press conference that the worst thing for a D player isn't getting beat physically but mentally and this is just whats happening. When we play against proven and solid O units (like the Pats) we have trouble because their O feels much more secure in what it0s doing than our D.

    I thought about this thinking about Rhodes, I guess his biggest problem is adjusting from our old D mentality to this new one... he just isn't used to having personal responsability on the D (Mangina always told him what to do) and he needs to learn.

    - Emotions and Execution are different things: This is the one thing I'm really worried Rex might be screwing up. I'm ok with making the team accountable for it's talent and fired up with swagger... but you also need to teach them how to be professionals and EXECUTE the plays. If you tackle with lots of swagger and heart but bad technique you give up a TD the same way you'd do without the swagger. Those things help (a lot) when these basic things have already gone into place.
    First make the JETS play like a team, Second make them play like a team with swagger... if you do it the other way around I fear we might not go nowhere, but again I'm confident.

    - Leave the CS time to evaluate the roster: I'm sure going through a full season of footbal will help our CS to evaluate much better which players fit well into their playing schemes and which don't... anoter season also let's the scout have a better understanding of what to look for when looking for a Rex player. Let this CS bring in some young guys they have confidence with (especially Rex).

    - What offense does Ryan want to go with?: Assuming Rex is ok with Westhoff's work and with the D coordinator he brought in the question has to be: Is Rex ok with the style of offense Schotty brings to the table? Since he wants to keep himself out of making to many O calls he has to be able to work with a guy he has full confidence in... is Schotty the guy? Is another style of O best suited for our roster/Rex mentality? Rex and Tanny will have to answer this in the off-season.


    Hope I was able to bring some discussion ideas...

    PS one rant, of course Coleman and Miller look like Pro Bowlers during training whe Sanchez is throwin the ball "against" them :p Rex and Pettine should do a better job of evaluating our backups in the secondary.
     
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  2. RSherryJr

    RSherryJr New Member

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    You forgot the most talked about excuse of the offseason and summer.



    Mangini.
     
  3. duketogo

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    I accept all of those excuses...I mean reasons. Patience is a virtue, gentlemen!

    I think the roster one is key...there were a lot of holdovers from the Mangini era. Perhaps Rex can weed out the hot garbage (see: Rhodes). I also hope Rex has more influence on offense; I don't know if Shotty is right for this team. Sure, he's been given a raw deal with a revolving door of QB's, but all the trick play BS isn't making life any easier on Sanchez. Good post Mambo.
     
  4. RSherryJr

    RSherryJr New Member

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    Rex is a joke of a head coach.
     
  5. Mambo9

    Mambo9 Well-Known Member

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    Couldn't agree with you more...

    Oh thanks, you answered just in time before Mr.E makes a mod move it :smile:
     
  6. NYJ_JD

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    are a lot of the mistakes sanchez is making acceptable?? like can all of INT be just tossed aside due to lack of chemistry with recievers?... im seriously asking this question and am not intending to apply any type of opinion.. cause i really dont have one..

    there have been several times, especially with keller on routes over the middle.. sanchez and his reciever dont seem to be on the same page.. ie.. sanchez thinks the receiver is going to continue running the route.. and instead the receiver sits down on the route..

    im just tryin to figrue out how sanchez can look so good and so bad all within one game.. each quarter there is a different #6 playing QB for us.. and it doesn't make sense..

    but then again.. i have never really dealt with a rookie QB before.. and the whole flacco/ryan thing last year has me all fucked up on what to expect from a rookie QB..
     
  7. Scikotic

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    logic, or you're full or shit....
     
  8. duketogo

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    I'm not sure, Scik. The Nugent avatar increases his credibility for judging talent.
     
  9. RSherryJr

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    1-6.

    That is enough logic for me.
     
  10. RSherryJr

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    Just another great jets draft pick.
     
  11. LockDown24

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    We suck. That's all there is to it.
     
  12. Mambo9

    Mambo9 Well-Known Member

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    RACIST JOKE ALERT: Maybe he had to bring to the US a couple of 100% Mexican Mark Sanchez and they needed a job to apply for a work permit, so they share duties :p

    On a more serious note, I agree that's another thing that has to be figured out in these remaining games/the offeason.
    I think a true slot reciever could help Mark a lot by running intermediate routes that give our young QB more options than just "throw it to the side in tight coverage" or "throw it to Keller, the only guy running through the middle". But he must develop a better timing/feeling with his WR/TE.
     
  13. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    So by your logic, Parcells should have been fired after his 3-12-1 rookie season as a HC of the Giants. Or Bill Walsh, who was 2-14 in his first year. Some of you have the patience and intelligence of a flea.
     
  14. RSherryJr

    RSherryJr New Member

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    So by your logic, Rich Kotite should have 4 super bowl rings. With Rex its about his approach and nothing else. He is a buffoon.

    BTW, neither of those guys took over 9-7 teams.
     
  15. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    A 9 & 7 team that was 8 & 3 collapsed down the stretch against bad competition and fired the HC over it.
     
  16. Jetsetter

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    Well, Rex Ryan is a rookie HC. He talks the talk...and talks, and talks, and talks...

    What bothers me is that Rex is so full of hot air. They should just hook-up a helium hose to his butt and fly him down Broadway in this week's Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.

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  17. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    people keep saying rex talks to much but since like week 6 I havent heard a peep out of him. Maybe he should start talking again. Or maybe we should just blame braylon edwards because hes 1-5 as a jet. I also think people underestimate the loss of trusnik. Hes a big play special teamer and everyone on the team loved him.
     
  18. TommyGreen

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    Now I know why the Ravens were a little hesitant in offering Ryan the Head Coaching position in Baltimore.
     
  19. JetsYankeesThrylos

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    Great post Mambo, I really enjoyed it, this is what I've been feeling which is why I haven't lost my mind, Sanchez makes me want to find him and beat him with a bat at times, but he is a rookie.

    First, The Ryan/Flacco thing was a once in a blue moon kind of deal and I realized that, which is why I didn't have high hopes for this team. The 3-0 start is what threw me off, but now I know, the Texans aren't great and we played a great game, the Pats weren't in form, and the Titans weren't the team from last year.

    Second, Your whole thing about emotion and execution was good, I 100% agree.

    Lastly, we suck huge ass, the team is horrible, though the defense IMO played very well today especially for all the time they had to spend on the field. This game was all on Sanchez which is the story of this season, but fuck it now things will come together eventually. If they don't we can then call this team the Same Old Jets.
     
  20. Vilmalover51

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    yup, yes, correct

    It was no mystery to the Ravens, there is clearly a motive behind why they did not give it to him. He doesn't have the disciplinary skills or the focus. Hes a great coordinator.

    He cannot focus on anything but his BELOVED defense. I'm not saying this guy is a joke but I wouldn't expect him to be our coach for years to come.
     

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