This is the problem I have with Schottenheimer

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  1. Mambo9

    Mambo9 Well-Known Member

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    Part of the "Coordinator's corner article":

    “Some of it just comes down to getting Mark familiar with all the new targets,” Coach Schotty said. His advice to Sanchez this week was to “Think fast, talk fast” so that this week he can continue “making throws in tight coverage.”

    A) Don't rush a rookie QB to talk fast and think fast, encourage him to not make mistakes. Encourage him to go though his reads at the appropiate pace and not go to fast or to slow.

    B) Don't force him to throw in tight coverage. Sure, it's the NFL and he'll have to throw 80% of the times in tight coverage but don't force it and tell him the game plan is making him do that. He has to know when to back off the intended reciever.

    My opinion is that Schotty is as un-rookie friendly an OC as there could be.
    The Falcons and the Ravens last year put far less pressure on their rookie QB and they succeeded... Schotty is treating Sanchez as if he were Pennington or Favre (experience-wise).
    Next year, if Schotty is still around, Sanchez will have more experience and, since I believe he is a smart kid and a football junkie, he might be able to make his system work. But for this year I'm predicting our O will prevent us from going to the playoffs and not because of talent but because of how it's (mis)managed.

    PS If he does manage to make Schotty's system work this year we have the next Payton Manning/Drew Brees on the team as far as understanding the game...
     
  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    That's a bit of a reach.
     
  3. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    That seems like an odd thing to say. I'm not sure I understand the purpose behind rushing things.
     
  4. AbdulSalam

    AbdulSalam New Member

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    Schotty is not a very good OC. Hopefully he calls a better game this week.
     
  5. Coach K

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    i think its a blunt way of schotty telling sanchez he needs to get the calls quicker so defenses cant constantly have time to sit back and read pre-snap.

    he's shown what he can do when he establishes a rhythym. its not like hes saying make sure we do everything fast.

    hes telling him to get the plays out faster make any adjustments he needs instantly and execute quickly every time.

    Cotchery's best plays seem to be on quick slants and he then splits coverage or fights for YAC.

    now that hes back i think thats the emphasis. Sanchez' worst throws come from when he has all day to throw and he forces shit into double coverage.

    hes telling him to make quick reads and get rid of the ball.

    nothing more, nothing less.
     
  6. plasticsloth

    plasticsloth Well-Known Member

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    I think schotty's offense is a little too complicated for sanchez. There is a lot of motioning in the offense and it seems as though there are a lot of option routes, as we've seen sanchez often miss targets thinking the receiver is gonna stay put when he's not and vice versa.
     
  7. wildaces

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    This is my biggest problem with Sanchez. I have yet to see him looking at coverage photos on the sideline. Getting with his WR's during the game, going over coverage photos. (I have seen Schotty showing him, and him pouting not paying attention)

    He is a Rookie, and if he isn't doing it now why would he do it as a Vet.

    I am not a Schotty fan on this team, but given the right personnel he could be very affective. Of course, some execution may show that Schotty really is a genius.

    So the question is where does the problem lie. Schotty or execution.
     
  8. Br4d

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    Schotty should not be handed young QB's. He's not good with them by any measureable criteria that I can find. He's one of those guys who may or may not (I lean may not) be a good head coach if he's given the opportunity, but he's clearly too impatient to handle the grooming of a young signal caller in the NFL.
     
  9. Phyr

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    Wasn't he the QB Coach for a young Drew Brees?
     
  10. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    Not impressive

    ■ Brian Schottenheimer was retained by Rex Ryan as offensive coordinator after one of the best offensive seasons in franchise history. He was originally named the Jets? coordinator on Jan. 30, 2006, coming to the team after serving as quarterbacks coach for the San Diego Chargers for four seasons (2002-05). Schottenheimer?s offensive scheme features multiple sets and flexibility as well as a no-huddle component.

    ■ After acquiring Brett Favre on Aug. 6, the 2008 Jets scored 405 points, only the third time in franchise history that they reached 400 points, and their 42 offensive touchdowns were their most since 1998. The offense ranked 16th in the NFL in total yards and ninth in rushing yards, both rankings the team's highest since 2004. The running game, led by Pro Bowlers Thomas Jones (AFC-leading 1,312 rushing yards, team-record 13 rushing TDs) and Leon Washington (448 yards, six rushing TDs), averaged 4.75 yards per carry, fifth in the league and the best season mark in franchise history.

    ■ In 2007 Schottenheimer's offense produced a 1,000-yard rusher in Thomas Jones (1,119) and a 1,000-yard receiver in Jerricho Cotchery (1,130).

    ■ In 2006 Chad Pennington completed 65 percent of his passes for a career-best 3,352 yards while Cotchery (82-961-6) and Laveranues Coles (91-1,098-6) combined for the most catches by any receiver tandem in franchise history.

    ■ At San Diego, Schottenheimer was instrumental in the development of Chargers QB Drew Brees. Under his tutelage in 2005, Brees completed 64.6 percent of his passes for a career-best 3,576 yards and tied for fourth in the NFL with 24 TD passes.

    ■ Prior to his stint in San Diego, Schottenheimer worked for his father, Marty, on two previous occasions ? as QB coach for the Washington Redskins in 2001 and as offensive assistant/quality control coach for the Kansas City Chiefs in 1998.

    ■ He gained two years of coaching experience at the collegiate level, tutoring tight ends at Southern Cal in 2000 and wide receivers at Syracuse in 1999.

    ■ He made his NFL coaching debut in 1997 as an offensive assistant for the St. Louis Rams.

    And I don't think he helped Drew Brees to develop, I think Drew made him look good, we can see this because Drew has gotten better every year without BS, He is the Eric Mangini version of OC's. :up:
     
  11. jetsyankeesfan6

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    I disagree. I don't think Sanchez has been asked to do very much. He has made only 214 attempts (tied with Stafford for 21st in the league). Everyone behind him has not played all of the snaps or games, essentially making Sanchez the starting qb with the least number of attempts.
     
  12. ukilledkenny

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    that had to have come out wrong there is no way he is sitting there trying to get sanchez to rush his reads. at least i hope not.
     
  13. Footballgod214

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    could be a lot worse. gholston could be our qb.

    edit: or OC.
     
  14. The Uniform Bomber

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    and Philip Rivers?
     
  15. The Uniform Bomber

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    I've seen him looking at coverages and talking to Schotty, which means if he's doing it now, he'll do it for the rest of his career.

    Anyone who questions Sanchez's commitment to football and his diligence to learning the game just doesn't really know that much about him.

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  16. Br4d

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    Brees took a huge step backwards in his second season as the starter, was benched and had his replacement drafted at that point.

    Schotty is not good with young QB's. Brees worked out in the end but he nearly had his career derailed before that happened.
     
  17. zoobooz

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    There is more to it than that. Those few words don't do the inteview justice. Here's where the comments came from.

    I also want to note I'm not a crazy Schottenheimer supporter. I don't agree with a lot of his calls, but I don't think he's as terrible as many here make him out to be, either.

    It all sounds pretty legitimate on me. You always practice like you play. Schotty wants Mark making fast reads so he looks over all his receivers, which has been a big issue. He isn't emphasizing throwing into tight coverage, either, but the difference between open in college and the NFL is very different. When his receiver has a small advantage he needs to recognize it and make the throw he's capable of making.

    He is bringing Mark up to the pro level. He needs to think and react like a pro QB; you can't just learn that in game time situations. And as noted by jetsyankeesfan, they aren't just throwing all the time making Mark win games by himself.

    If anyone want to see all the interview comments you can read them here: http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/11/13/transcript-the-coordinators-speak-11-12/#more-18391
     
  18. wildaces

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    I have no idea what his football studiness is out side of watching the game. I don't know if he is up late at night going over coverages, if he is calling up his WR's and going over coverages. Neither does anyone outside of the football team.

    However, those two pictures are of him talking to Schotty. That is it. He is not going over coverage photos with his coach, or his WR's during the game. I have watched every game, and also have rewatched some. The one time I saw Schotty showing him photos, Sanchez was staring into space pouting.
     
  19. WhiteShoeWillis

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    That makes a lot more sense when put into context. I wish I could spend a week at an NFL practice just to see everything that goes into it.
     

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