pardon my lack of football knowledge, but why switch to the 3-4? Just because the Pats have a 3-4? We have a lot of money locked into a good 4-3 DT, Dewayne, we had a really good set of 4-3 LBs, barton, Vilma, Hobson, all the pieces except a pass-rushing DE. Now, with the 3-4, we have the NT problem, and pass rushing OLB problem, not to mention some people on this site have questioned whether Vilma and Barton can be effective as 3-4 LBs. Seems like a lot of work just to imitate the Pats.
Who said that we have switched to the 3-4? We might be transitioning towards it with a whole bunch of hybrid formations but not necessarily a 3-4 full time. I think Mangini will see how the NT position develops first.
No im pretty sure were playing 3-4 full time and the reason were switching to a 3-4 is that 4 of the last 5 superbowl champions played the 3-4 and Mangini is a 3-4 genius. However, what i really think we need is to get a fast OLB who can rush the passer from the outside. Plus, obviously NT is an issue, but i think it is the right move because if were gonna imitate teams its better that we imitate the Pats and Steelers rather than the Texans(switching to 4-3)
3-4 genius? LOL. Tha Patriots ranked 26th in total defense under Mangini's only year as a DC. 31st in pass defense. Bellichek is a genius, Mangini was a water carrier. Please explain the Patriots defensive lapses under Mangini, then you can try to make the laughable argument that he is a genius. Explain it!
I love the 3-4 defense, but not here. Not with players like Robertson and Vilma, this team was built to be a 4-3 defense. I hope it works out as a 3-4, but I'm just not sure....
The pats had defensive lapses in the first 6 weeks of the season. They were all but fixed after that.
We are going into a 3-4 it was on the jets website but we will be also using the 4-3 from time to time and also different formations to keep the qb guessing where the blitzer is coming from
It's going to be gameplanned week to week...teams with fast backs and that like to sweep you run a 3-4 for the fast linebackers running sideline to sideline. Teams that use the power run game in between the tackles you base a 4-3 to get all the big boys in there. Trust me, we're going to mix it up. And about New England defensive numbers...they were 12th in stopping the run, won our division, andn destroyed Jacksonville in the first round of the playoffs. How can you argue results with season average numbers? I hate NE but you can't argue that they haven't been doing things right without big name players.
i hope we switch to the 3-4. it just seems we get burned all the time on a regular basis with the 4-3.
It's actually worse than you think. The Jets were a 4-3 team last year... but more specifically they were a cover 2 team. Cover 2 is about as far from the 3-4 defense as you can get. Cover 2 emphasises speed while the 3-4 emphasises size...Almost completely opposite. The reason why mangini will put in the 3-4 is becasue thats the system he runs...simple as that. BUT all teams run some 4-3 or 3-5 defenses from time to time. what defines a team as a 3-4 or a 4-3 is what base defense they run. Generally teams will use a base package for over 50% of the plays. But even with the same package there are over 100 variations of it. Hope that helps.
It will take 2 years at least for the D to get the hang of it, especially because we didn't draft many potential defensive starters.
I have to agree with that. I thiink some of us have forgotten that Mangini does not have extensive experience as a DC. When we speak about reaches, just because he worked under Bellichek does not make him a good coach much less a good head coach. He might have been the biggest reach of the off season.
this is a typical simplification from undereducated Jet fans - in other words, the MAJORITY of Jet fans. All I keep hearing is that Mangini will use multiple defenses like his mentors - incorporating some schemes from both the 34 and the 43. The key is that Mangini (unlike his predecessor) plans or says he plans to maximize the talents of his players and minimize the weaknesses within the scheme. While our former HC tried to implement a defense regardless of the personnel and force feed it, the new HC says he will work around his players. That's why he drafted guys who might not be athletes, but might be football players who are smart and tough, and can do their job, and learn multiple schemes. BTW - do you think Abraham could have handled multiple schemes? I for one do not...
The only thing we lack in the 3-4 is the same thing we lacked last year in the 4-3. A big fat NT. our players in a 4-3 front would look something like this. DL - Thomas, Kimo, Robertson, Ellis LB - Barton, Vilma, Hobson (debatable) our players in a 3-4 front would look something like this. DL - Kimo, Robertson, Ellis LB - Thomas, Schlegel (debatable), Vilma, Barton To be honest, both formations are going to depend more on an emergence of Thomas, and less on whether Kimo or Robertson can handle NT duties. Thomas is really the key. If he excels as a pass rushing OLB we'll be in good shape.
I think the Jets personal was better suited for a 43 defense. But The Jets are in rebuilding mode. The Jets are building for the future not the present day.
