Some random thoughts about the Miami game

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  1. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    nobody attacked you for keeping it real as you say. you said the saints exposed the jets and are now trying to connect what the fins did with that. these last two games were totally different. the only thing i see that is similar is the running game was far too effective in both games. right now the jets defense is not strong against the run. we will see if that is an element of their game that has been exposed or if it can be fixed as the season goes on.

    this division is going to be a dog fight until the end. i expect it to be just like last year with the fins jets and pats all looking for two playoff spots. someone will be the odd man out and i hope it isn't the jets again.
     
  2. JCotchrocket

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    I am going to have to agree with the Kerry Rhodes criticism. It's starting to look like Kerry got paid and then got comfortable. He has no excuse for not thriving in this defense. He was burned by Ginn, couldn't break up an important pass to Anthony Fasano and Gholstoned away from a few gang tackles.

    Through five games, Kerry Rhodes is the second best starting safety on this team.
     
  3. Henneontherocks

    Henneontherocks New Member

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    bum? And Your QB is the next best thing after a few good games?
     
  4. ChuckUp

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    IMHO we were simply beaten at the line of scrimmage, mostly on the defensive side of the ball. Miami's O-line did a great job blocking. Wildcat formation aside, the plays were simple misdirections either up the gut 1-4 holes, off tackle or outside sweeps. When they line up wildcat you KNOW 9x out of 10 it is a run, the line needs to penetrate, plug holes & force outside plays inside. Many high school & college programs run that type of offense (albeit usually with a real QB). Our line, including #77 on many plays were blocked. It seemed to me we were out-muscled here.

    We did OK on offense, but Sanchez was definitely nervous & jumpy for the first couple of series. I'm sure he'll settle down so we get 60 minutes from the O.
     
  5. zor

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    not sure why you keep blaming the jets for their awful night. they played against the patriots and rightfully beat the weaker team, they played houston and beat the weaker team, they played tenessee and beat the weaker team. the jets played new orleans and lost to a better team and they got their a**es handed to them by a superior team last night - the dolphins.
     
  6. tcrock

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    I'll ignore the dumbass Dolphin troll posts......unbelievable


    last night came down to a few simple things........tackling air does not stop an offense.....not to take anything away from Brown and Williams, but the Jets missed more tackles last night than the previous 4 games.......and seemingly a lot of them on crucial 3rd down plays. Both their RB's made some big time moves to avoid tackles too....but even when they didn't, there were quite a few whiffs last night.......and, unbelievably, the inability to get any pressure on the passer......felt like it was last year all over again.......Revis, i'm assuming he was responsible for Ginn on that TD........better hold off on that shut down corner thing......maybe a little let down on his part

    Losing to the fins sucks, especially to this team, which is pretty one dimensional, and their defense was pretty weak.........Sanchez missed a lot of easy throws last night too.

    I'm a big TJ fan, but I've officially had it with him......let him come in on goal line situations and that's it........let Leon and Greene run the ball otherwise
     
  7. zor

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    tcrock, seriously, last night was really a battle of who had the better offense because, obviously, both our defenses are horrible. blown assignments on both sides on defense. ginn's and two of edward's catches should have been covered by safeties on top and weren't...you can't blame the corners.

    dolphins offense anticipated the jets overaggressiveness at the line (which is needed to nullify the direct snap to the runner on wildcat) and took advantage by running misdirections and the screen pass that got 60 yards.

    the inability to generate any pass rush is obviously a problem both teams had last night...on miami's side - imagine our frustration at having both a J.Taylor AND J.Porter on the line and not being able to generate any pass rush??


    on the brightside, i think i'm seeing the beginning of a great rivalry with our QBs....sanchez looks f'ing good...
     
  8. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    As usual I agree with your post Tony, frustration is starting to set in...
     
  9. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    I'd hardly say we allowed Henne to look like Joe Montana, the guy wasn't forced into making any bad throws. He hardly beat the Jets the way Montana would pick teams apart. He made one good throw that most NFL QB's would make in a similar situation. All of his other throws were to guys wide open. He never threw into traffic because Miami never got into a position where he had to. I think people are overlooking that it was Drew Coleman and Dwight Lowery that got beat on those big 3rd downs. It's not an excuse but a fact that those are our 4th and 5th CBs on the depth chart.

    I honestly felt that the proper adjustments were not made. The blitz was ineffective so why continue to allow Miami to have open guys in crucial third downs in the 4th Q. Had we decided to play more of a zone rather then send 8 guys in obvious passing situations we may have had more success against their passing game.

    I thought the OL didn't play well early but as the game wore on I thought they did a better job of opening up holes for the run game (which we seemed to abandon in the 4th q) and protected Sanchez better. Jones looked more comfortable than he had in the past 3 games and Washington was having a great day but we seemed to abandon the clock management game for quick strikes which were exciting but I was yelling to take time off the clock as well. It was clear this wasn't the night our D was going to make a stop.

    Edwards, can't say enough about him. He fit right in and I think the fact that Cotch was hurt forced him to step up. Clowny also looked good and we finally stretched the field. A healthy Cotch a clear #1 in Edwards and a burner in Clowny is going to do wonders for our offense. This is an element the Jets have lacked for years and it's obvious the talent on offense is there it's just a matter of getting healthy and everybody on the same page. Our rookie QB exposed their secondary as a weak one clearly the weak link of that team.

    I thought the officials missed some key holding penalties that also would have shut down Dolphin drives. There are 2 obvious ones that stand out in my mind on 3rd down plays where Jenkins was tackled by Grove by his jersey and Revis on an outside run. I didn't see clear evidence to overturn the Edwards TD and I think Henne shoudl have been called for grounding as he may have been outside the pocket but was still between both his tackles when he threw that ball 30 yards away from the closest guy. In Slow Mo the PI on Edwards was the wrong call but at full speed it was the right call.
     
  10. discostu570

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    I don't know about anybody getting exposed. It's like Jenkins said, they laid an egg. Go back and watch the replays, and you'll see the mistakes, Bart Scott in particular was downright awful last night. On the final touchdown, he hesitates, watching the runner going right after the fake before he commits to the run up the middle, and thats a mistake, it wasn't his assignment, there was a safety (either Leonhard or Smith, couldn't say which) out in the flat covering that guy. And as a result he's late getting into his lane in the middle. He was on Fasano on his TD as well, he just was too slow getting to the outside.

    I don't think its a matter of anybody being exposed, it's not like this is some faulty defensive scheme or anything, but in any scheme, guys have to man up and play winning football. A few players didn't do that yesterday, and mostly I'm looking at our linebackers.

    Its tough to remember though, how great I felt about this team's offense in the minutes before that final Dolphins drive started. Like, if this defense is going to make a habit of giving up 30 points, we might still make the playoffs.
     
  11. Dolphins are MAMMELS

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    no problem. . we are looking forward to showing you up again. .
     
  12. Jtuds

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    I feel the same way and I hate it, but I know I have good reason to.
     
  13. Jtuds

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    You know you misspelled your username, right?
     
  14. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    you know nothing about football. enjoy that your team won even if you have zero clue as to why it happened.
     
  15. zor

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    everyone knows ryan's blitzes only work best against spread offenses...

    miami won because it was the better team...the score wouldn't even be close had it not been for the bad call and two fake punts.
     
  16. EnigmatiC

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    We lost fair and square and I give the Dolphins credit for winning but these fans coming here saying "we got our asses handed to us by a superior team" were not watching the same game. The game basically came down to who had the ball last as both of our defenses couldn't stop sh*t. Are you guys really that confident in your team? You don't think had the Jets got the last possession we probably would be having a whole different conversation right now? You guys seem to be very pleased about that. And whoever said that we got exposed against NO then Miami did it again was obviously not watching the NO game and just checked the final score. These two games couldn't have been more different and for you to come here and say otherwise really speaks volumes about you really know.
     
  17. Rictor33

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    TBH, I think Thomas Jones looked pretty good last night. That is a tough run D and I thought he ran with some anger for the first time this year. I love Leon as a change of pace / recieving back and I think they create a nice thunder/lightning combo. Greene is the future, but until the season starts looking a little bleaker I say we build on last game and trust the reigning AFC rushing champ with 20 or so carries. Take out the 2 TD runs of 1 and 3 yards and he was right at 4.0YPC, which against the Dolphins on running downs is not bad. The pass he dropped was unacceptable, but other than that I saw more of last year's Thomas Jones. As Sanchez starts to gain rapport with recievers you will see less 8-9 man fronts on early downs because they will have to respect the pass and we will see a similar running game as last year, but with a more 50/50 feel to it.
     
  18. Rictor33

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    And FYI, I challenge the Dolphins to play that well again. I just feel like they were at home, fired up and basically played their super bowl on monday night.. Now lets see if they can build on it, I predict a let-down.
     
  19. RockyMtnPhinFan

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    You know nothing about football.......
    Our offense moved the ball with relative ease. Check the stats on first downs. Our defense did let you guys run on us more than other teams have, but we still got 150 yards on the ground and are STILL #1 in the NFL in rushing. But once again i think the Dolphins just played a better game. The fact that it came down to the fourth quarter downplays the fact that you guys got 2 fake punts that ended up getting you 10 points. Score? Would be 31-17. And that score only holds up because you guys got a Bullshit PI call and you all know it. That may have cost you guys another score seeing as you guy had a hard time converting first downs. Take away another seven points? 31-10 That is much more of what the score should have been and i thought you guys just got the calls going your way. Edwards looked like a stud, congrats if he keeps it up. I like Sanchez and look forward to a renewed rivalry with these two young stud QB's
     
  20. EnigmatiC

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    I can play this game too!! If we don't get the fake punts then maybe Shotty throws deeper or calls different plays our next posession and we score a touchdown? Or maybe we don't get the pass interference call but we end up scoring a touchdown anyway? You guys won the game I don't see the need to try and short change us
     

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