The pocket moved, I'm not going on and on with this. Whatever, your right, I don't care the game is over and we lost. I just want to go to the game next week and forget this crap happened.
i'm not trying to instigate here so bear with me. the rule is beyond the tackles. meaning simply when the linemen are down, draw an imaginary line back from the tackles. that's the "box". if outside that box its not grounding. regardless of where the pocket is. its based off of the down lineman prior to the snap. with this explanation, i implore you to rewatch and tell me it was grounding.
I'm not the only one who said it was, why am I being quoted here, lol. About the pocket moving, I was f'n joking, jesus. I thought he was in, I guess I'm wrong. I'M SORRY
Doesn't matter if there is someone in the area if he's outside of the tackles. His pass could've been intended for Marc Anthony but if he's outside the tackles it's not grounding.
lol.. all good, i may have quoted the wrong person. point still stands. either way. bills are gonna face a pissed of team ready to go.
Why do we care about the call on Henne ? IMO the horrible call was the no call on ronnie brown , I was always under the impression the ball had to reach the line of scrimmage ?
"Intentional Grounding of Forward Pass 1. Intentional grounding of a forward pass is a foul: loss of down and 10 yards from previous spot if passer is in the field of play or loss of down at the spot of the foul if it occurs more than 10 yards behind the line or safety if passer is in his own end zone when ball is released. 2. Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion. 3. Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line)." Just so everyone knows at least how it's worded in the rule book.
I don't think he was outside the tackles... he was outside the hash marks but the tackles shifted on the design play. I don't know exactly if he just has to be outside the hash marks or outside the tackles. He was definitely inside his tackles. It didn't win or lose the game but if the rule is inside the tackles it should have bene called. As for Sanchez I think it was an attempt to avoid a sack which should have been the ruling anyway but Keller was within the vicinity. His play was either a sack or a no call. It was irrelevant as we scored anyway but I'm on board with the play where Brown was down and it should have been a 3rd and long and we failed to challenge. That's on us for not questioning that play. The officials blew that call but we should have thrown the red hanky.
The Pocket is defined by being "OUTSIDE THE TACKLES" He was NOT outside the tackles (i'll rewatch soon) Also, Sanchez had a receiver in the Vicinity where as Henne's throw wasn't even Close to a receiver OR THE LOS!!! Now for me, I thought Snchez was more "in the grasp" and that should have been called but not IG. We know the rules but don't give me this BS. I have the game recorded and will rewatch this play soon.
I don't have the game taped or anything so I'll wait until someone posts a video or a picture. I do know that it's from where the tackles line up before the ball is snapped so even if the line shifts one way or the other he could be outside the "tackle box" while still behind the line.
I blew a gasket when this wasn't called...you could see it even before they re-played it in slo-mo. The side ref was standing right there. And there was plenty of time to trow the red hanky. The next play Ricky Williams barely got the six yrds. & picked up a 1st down. I'll make the case that this call wasn't as bad as the replay made it look. ESPN re-played the very end of the the play, in super slo-mo. I believe the interference happened a bit earlier than they showed. I can't go back and double check...I erased the game from my TIVO in disgust. Overall though, I have a sneaky suspicion that as much as we were unable to handle the Wildcat formation, the refs are confused by it by it as well.
:smile: Oh, it was a few Yards away... I'll have it up in a few days, I rewatch all the games win or lose. I have a list of things to look @ already.
when i first saw it i was pissed at the lack of call. But it was the right call. He was outside of the pocket and passed it past the line of scrimmage. The call on Sanchez was awful though. there was a receiver in the area and he was getting tackled while throwing. But the henne no call was legit
