Mangini's probably more worried about his own ass in Cleveland than sticking it to Belichick. Definitely not a sucker deal like Saban sending the Pats Wes Welker on his way back to the college ranks to help Belichick out.
Unlike Bellichick, who got booed loudly for about 5 mins solid when he first returned to the Meadowlands with the Pats, Mangini might just get a standing ovation. :smile: Good for you Eric ! :beer:
Absolutely. So many here seem to be acting like this trade was a steal, but it strikes me that a much more realistic assessment is that it is a win for both sides. Instead of getting nothing for him at the end of a terrible season for the team, the Browns get two draft choices, an excellent special teams player, and a WR who may or may not be any good. In fact, unless Edwards is at least an approximation of the player he was a couple of years ago, this could end up being a bad trade for the Jets (not a bad one to make, but one that could end up not working out as well as was hoped).
Is that because Lerner has given him such autonomy or simply because Kokinis can't shove as many rotisserie chickens down his throat?
Mangina performed cancer removal surgery on his team today, and gave it to the Jets. When the punching thing plays out, and with his backlog of problems, the Jets will probably go without him for 2 to 4 weeks at some point. Unless he had new hands installed in the offseason he is still the player with the most drops in the NFL the last two years. I hope the Jets can light a fire under his ass and get the best out of him, but I have my doubts.
Great Patriot Collapse. ( adopted when the Colts made their 2nd half comeback in the AFC championship game to go to the 2006-2007 SB.) Moron :smile:
What the draft picks are is the real story. If one of them is a 2nd or 3rd, the Jets would appear to be blowing their wad on this year, because if Braylon sucks, they lose, and if Braylon is good, he'll cost a ton on the cap to keep him next year.
It's because Lerner hired Mangini before he hired Kokinis, making Mangini's input on the GM choice relevant. Mangini has me fuddled at the moment. I can't decide if he's really that bad a coach and personnel judge or whether he just needs about a half dozen seasons to put some perspective into his world view. If his ego didn't keep getting in the way he'd probably be a very formidable coach. He'd need to hire defensive and offensive coordinators that were top notch, but with a little grey in that hair he'd have the players walking around on egg shells until they knew they were inside his circle. Just like Parcells did. Parcells creates this enormous umbrella of competence around every organization he runs and he always makes sure he has the best people he could possibly have (Belichik, Coughlin, Weis, Sparano to name a few but there are many more) around him to keep the umbrella steady when the wind starts blowing hard. Mangini is way too young to have developed that kind of infrastructure yet, but if he gets lucky and finds a spark he might survive in the NFL long enough to do it.
Everyone was saying Brandon Marshall was a cancer and look at him and the Broncos now. Randy Moss was a cancer too. Winning is the cure to a lot of problems and with a players first head coach I think Edwards cashes in on the talent that made him a Pro Bowler.
This is true, but Moss and Marshall didn't drop passes even when they were a distraction. Hey, he's playing for a big contract, so the Jets may get the best out of him.
Someone on a Browns board posted the same thing, and you're both right. The Jets had two quality possession/shifty type receivers and the Browns had two deep threats in Braylon Edwards and MoMass. Yes, MoMass did nothing the first three games, but they also game him more responsibility last week and he performed - That combined with Braylon having another character incident is probably what did it. Of course, I'd take Edwards and Cotchery over Massaquoi and Stuckey any day, but that's why they got extra players and picks - Not forgetting that Mangini places high value on character, as well. You guys can knock Mangini all you want with his "Mangini guys" shit and how bad he was when he dictated everything and ran our last season into the ground with the help of Favre. You can't knock or deny the fact that his insistence of getting players with good values and work ethics helped this team and it will help the Browns, too. Maybe he's going to be a Parcells-type coach: He'll come into shitty franchises, build them from the ground up, and once the entire organization hates his guts enough they'll bring in another coach to reap the benefits of his stocked roster. Bad play caller? Oh yeah. Bad people person? Big time. Mangini isn't all bad, though. People also forget about this - Edwards' contract runs up this year. Another check mark for the Browns. Bingo, Bradway. Look at what the Jets were before Mangini and look at what they were after. Mangini may not be a good enough coach to take advantage of it, but he is looking like a decent team builder so far. Abrasive personality, but that's just another thing that makes him look like a young Parcells. If he turns around the Browns like he did the Jets, I'd definitely declare him the next team building coach from the roof tops. One run doesn't mean everything, though.
