yea it was a good little discussion but its gotten off track now i think. i think royal tee is right that the " is not in the continuing action immediately after the end of a down" part is the gray area and could go either way or whatever. maybe hercules was just tossin them a bone because he felt bad for them after watching us whoop em. now if this was new england then let the conspiracy theories fly but it was just the texans, and we still won decisively.
has nuthin to do w/ superior knowledge and I wasn't shoutin atcha Just bolding out the part that coincided w/ the rule apologies if you though I was. :wink: btw, it WAS NOT enforced on the 3rdQ KO. IMO it should have been but based on the ruling that I previously bolded I think they got the call right. based on the rule, it only applies if it was NOT in the continuing action immediately after the end of a down. BUT the play WAS in the continuing action immediately after the end of a down.
So basically after the half ends Jenkins can take T. Brady, pile drive him into the turf without penalty? NICE!!!
I looked for that specifically and I'm pretty sure the kickoff to start the 3d qtr was from the normal spot.
funny thing is if mangini were still our coach, he'd have been all over this. remember the 'obsure rule' where washington caught the kickoff with one foot out of bounds? he said mangini schooled him on it. mangini is anal but occsionally it pays off! i'm sure he was smiling when he saw it on ESPN.
I thought he said Westhoff coached him on that. I have a lot more faith that Westhoff knows the obscure rules than Mangini does.
Not in the way they interpret it .... It is a Penalty On The Defense .... Not A Defensive Penalty .... Good Logic by the NFL
The half was over when the penalty occurred, that is why there was no extension. The penalty didn't happen during the play, it happened AFTER the play when the half was already over. I don't know how else to say it.
All over what? Hoculli specifically said that by rule the penalty would not extend the half. if anyone fucked up it was him.
It was not declined. You could see Rex Ryan yelling "Field Goal, Field Goal"...Hochuli have some stuid explanation as to why, by rule, this particular penalty did not allow another play. I actually think he said it was because the penalty occurred after, not during, the play. However, according to this rule, he seems to have been wrong. Hochs also missed the horsecollar on Westerman (or was it Harris)....the rule as I have always seen it enforces was that any tackle with the hand inside the shoulderpad neckline from the middle of one shoulder, across the back, to the middle of the other shoulder, is a horsecollar tackle.
He wasn't wrong. The half was over when the penalty occured. The rule clearly states that the half can't end on a defensive penalty. It didn't.
So in other words, if a play is run with 0:01 on the clock and the offense throws a hail mary that takes 7 seconds, and the ball is knocked down but there is a PI call on the play, the half will end without a free play because the PI occurred after the clock was at 0:00?
No, that would cause another play because the penalty occurred DURING the play and not AFTER the play. Let me put it this way. The instant the whistle blew the half was over because time had expired during the play. After the whistle the taunting occurred but it didn't matter because the half was already over earlier.
OK, so then Hochuli's explanation was correct. Let me re-read the rule in the first post then, because I either misinterpreted it, or things aren't lining up.
“If there is a defensive personal foul following the end of the second or fourth periods that occurs in the action immediately after the end of a down, the offensive team may choose to extend the period for an untimed down.” Either there's more to the rule or it needs to be more specific, in my opinion.
The definition of the rule and after seeing how it was enforced (or how it is not enforced at the end of a half) leads me to believe there is a loophole that needs to be closed. In my opinion the penalty in question should have been enforced on the opening kickoff of the third quarter. But since it is not, maybe Bart Scott can take a wonderful penalty at the end of the half and knock Brady senseless and technically not be penalized. A free shot so to speak.
Ok, I don't get the confusion, the scenario is pretty obvious. Half is extended if it is a defensive penalty, like a holding call or a PI but NOT a personal foul like what happened on Sunday. So NOT extending the half was the CORRECT call. However, the Pats should have been penalized on the kick off and I don't think they were, so if there was a mistake that is where it was.
The PI flag would be thrown before the final whistle of the half is blown. The personal conduct flag was thrown after the final whistle was blown. The half was over at that point.
