why do you feel the need to do this stupid bullshit dude. do you get a high or a hard on from all this? look in my avatar for my new ride.
wrong again are you really as illiterate as you pretend to be? my ride is in my avatar. look for it on game days at the meadowlands. see you there right mr.allaboutthejetsman.
not to be nit picky here, but watching this argument from afar, it got pretty good, i won't lie to you. when prompted for a climatic answer here, instead of going with the traditional question mark, you go with the period, killing any and all the buzz i had. it's like you have to go to the bathroom, instead of trying to escalate this further, which is what i want.
nope im not here for trouble. others seem to welcome it. i like this place and i dont want to banned. if its all ok by you,take over the argument they are easy.
That's not entirely true. Sure most don't amount to much, but there's been a few undrafted QBs that have made something of themselves. Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, and certinly Tony Romo. Also, Jake Delhomme.
I think the one position that does matter where you were drafted is at the QB position. It is very rare to find a great QB outside the first round, let alone undrafted.
I feel like I'm disagreeing with you a lot lately Vision, and I'm really not trying to. I swear. While it's rare to find gems in the late round it's also hard to find gems in the first. Some of the QBs drafted outside of the first round in this decade that have been successful: 2000 Tom Brady 6th round Marc Bulger 6th round 2001 Drew Brees 2nd round Sage Rosenfels 4th round 2002 David Garrard 4th round 2003 Chris Simms 3rd round 2004 Matt Schaub 3rd round 2005 Kyle Orton 4th round Matt Cassel 7th round 2006 Tavaris Jackson 2nd round The above QBs listed are QBs who are starters this year or are competing for a starting position. It does not include Tony Romo or guys who were later round picks or UDFA's from before 2000 like Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia or Jake Delhomme. Conversely, there are a bunch of guys drafted in the 1st round who didn't pan out. Joey Harrington, David Carr, Patrick Ramsey, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, JP Losman, Alex Smith, Matt Leinart and Vince Young.
Essentially it all comes down to coaching and taking advantage of a QB's strengths while minimizing damage caused by his weaknesses. Granted it's much easier to do with a high draft pick who has more natural ability and talent but with the right coaching you can definitely mold a late round/undrafted QB into a solid player
From what little either guy has played I liked Ratliff a lot better. So did Mangini, apparently, because I'm sure if he wanted Clemens instead on draft day it wouldn't have been a deal-breaker, and he chose Ratliff.
