wow. Casey Hampton 6-1 325 Wilfork 6-2 325 those two all pro NTs can't play the position by your definition. admit that you are a troll who is here to stir up bullshit. Dont make me get the link.
got them from NFL.com. They regularly update the playing weights. good to see you back in full retard form. good day sir.
You good with graphics.....Now what do u know about football. R u taking up for ur booty-buddy ??? :wink:
even with the quick edit. its still not english. here, I found it: http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?p=1278173#post1278173
Ok, so all we need for some real RB depth is to simply get a RB with the combined qualities of Thomas Jones, Leon Washington, and Shonn Greene....piece of cake! :drunk:
That DSlob failed miserably at NT with the playing weight of 312 lbs doesn't mean NT must be at 350+. As NDMick pointed out, both Wilfork and Hampton play at 320+, and if you can generate enough push from your legs, (i.e. strong enough) then 320-330 weight range more than suffices to play NT. So what was the problem with Dslob? He had a knee problem - bone-on-bone condition - and I am inclined to think that, he couldn't generate enough push with that bum leg.
I've been doing some digging with prospects that I have liked from recent drafts for the 3-4 NT spot, what team they went to, and what the DL situation is over there. Two young players that could very well be acquired via trade for bottom basement prices are Frank Okam from the Houston Texans and Ahtyba Rubin from the Cleveland Browns. Frank Okam: 6'5, 350 lbs. As a prospect, Okam is relatively one-dimensional: huge run stuffer. Good news for the 3-4: that is exactly what you want clogging up the middle. Okam landed with the Texans as a late round pick on a team that already had young promising players such as Amobi Okoye and Travis Johnson entrenched as the DT starters. Also a starter on the line at the LDE position was Tim Bulman, a 6'4, 295 lbs defensive lineman -- forced to start there because of necessity and plethora of DT talent but lack of DE talent outside of Super Mario. Bulman is a player that the coaching staff likes, and it isn't hard to tell that he is better fit at DT in the Texans' 4-3. The Texans signed LDE Antonio Smith from the Cardinals this offseason to be the starting LDE, so Bulman will move inside to DT and be the #1 backup and likely roational DT to keep the other two fresh. The Texans also drafted Connor Barwin this offseason to strengthen the depth behind Mario Williams and groom a potential heir for Antonio Smith. With Bulman now moving inside, Okam's slim chances of ever seeing the field have become even slimmer. His poor system fit also limits his potential in Houston. We could very well trade a late round pick for Okam, or even a conditional late round pick depending on if he gets any playing time which would be limited at best, or a backup player at different position. Okam has a ton of potential as a 3-4 NT, he can be a dominant run stopper and when he's fully zoned in he can even offer some pass rush from the inside. Being mentored by a great DT like Kris Jenkins and being coached by the defensive mind of Rex Ryan would only help Okam reach his potential. He would get a few years to learn the system and really become a full-time player before being asked to play a lot. He would provide a valuable big body immediately in case anything happens to Jenkins that would force him to miss time on the field. He could compete with Pouha for the #2 NT spot. When at Texas there was perhaps no better DT in the country when he was fully motivated - maybe all he needs is a change of scenery and a chance to compete for a spot as the Texan's starting DL spots are all taken for a long time with Smith, Okoye, Johnson, and Williams (what a great DLine!). Small risk, large reward if it works out. Ahtyba Rubin: 6'2, 330 lbs I had looked at possibly trading for Rubin before and considering it a much harder trade since the Browns and the Jets both run the 3-4 defense, but events that transpired over the past few months just made a trade for this gap plugging DT much more feasible. 1) Eric Mangini became the Browns' head coach. Mangini gave us a bargain basement deal to move up to draft Sanchez and has shown that he is willing to do business with us as long as it also benefits his team. 2) As part of that trade, he acquired Kenyon Coleman who was a starting DE for us and I can only assume that he will at least compete for a starting 3-4 DE spot there. He also signed C.J. Mosley who was a decent 3-4 DE for us (I wish he signed with a 4-3 team because he has a ton of potential in that scheme) which only bolsters their DL even more. 3) The Browns did not trade Shaun Rogers in a draft deal. The Browns NT spot belongs to Shaun Rogers, and the Browns have other great DTs such as Corey Williams (6'4, 320 lbs), and Shaun Smith (6'2, 325 lbs) that can play DE and NT in that system. With Rogers, Williams, Smith, Coleman, Mosley, Louis Leonard, and Robaire Smith, that DLine is stacked and really needs no one else. Rubin was also not drafted by Mangini which means that he probably would not be upset parting ways with him. We could part ways with a late round pick, and like Okam, Rubin would be groomed behind Jenkins and coached up by Ryan to be the heir to the 3-4 NT spot and to keep Jenkins fresh. That's my take on what we can do right now to try and fix one of the "missing ingredients" the Jets have. Both of those players are young with potential at the 3-4 NT spot, could be acquired for cheap, and are buried on their respective teams' depth charts and will never see the field there.
Good point. I would like to see if Jets can snatch Okam - my hope was with Ron Brace, but then he is now up there in New England so. -_-;
1)OL Depth 2)Defensive Front 7 depth 3)WR Depth. lol everything except RB and DB basically. we have great talent in our starting lineup on both sides (wr are avg obviously. although i think stuckey will surprise some. )but we have a complete lack of depth and role players. injury free i say 8-11 wins depending qb/wr performance, and how well the defense gels. but in our division that could mean a number of things.
I didn't know you were Mike Tannenbaum. ...now he's got Fun_N_gun and RaiderJeaux's support. This isn't Madden guys.
LOL there is just something wrong with you man. Of all the back and forth bickering that was going on in here, I took the time to write out a nice post yet because you have this little vendetta against me you decided you needed to same something - only make you look childish. Maybe you're upset about stalking me over to the other message board only for the guys over there telling you to shut up, calling you crazy and jealous, and telling you to go away. I guess I would be too if I was a huge attention whore like you. I'll link the posts if I have to -- they're quite pathetic and make for some comedic relief on a rainy day in June, which are more frequent than they should be. Honestly just leave my posts alone, I really want nothing to do to you, you just talk up guys from the WAC and Fresno State and reiterate WalterFootball Rankings. I'll alert Walter that you are "stealing his shit" as you like to accuse. Got a problem with my notion that we should try to acquire some young promising 3-4 NT prospects from teams where we would give up very little in terms of value in a trade? Then bring up a valid counterargument. Otherwise, don't post.
So, basically you want the jets to add someone like AP to the RB mix for what is called "depth & injuries" for you to be satisfied? Come on, lets be realistic. Elusive powerback workhorses don't grow on trees, and even if they did i'd still prefer a combination of backs rather than the traditional featured back. As good as Peterson, Portis or Turner may be, their respective offenses are just an injury away from being very mediocre. If you look up last years stats, you will see that neither the NFC's nor the AFC's top rushing teams (Giants and Ravens) had a superstar at RB, but both had a very nice combination of talented backs with different skillsets running the show. Add our top tier O-line to the equation and the running game should be the least of our problems.
