Cnnsi... WR and the problems they cause....

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  1. tanknyc

    tanknyc Active Member

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    I would have posted it but it seems extremely long and didnt want to over kill the thread... Anyhow my thoughts are these WR to me think that the world revolves around them and that the can do no wrong. They act irresponsible and think they should be praised regardless.. The Donte Stallworth situation had me sick to my stomach for the fact that the court system to me at least values a dogs life more then a humans life ex. Michael Vick.. How the hell on earth do you only get 30 days in jail?? Then you only get 10 years probation...

    That to me is just plain backwards because you are going to be on a Nfl Team which means you have to travel with the team. So all the rules that apply to the mere Mortals doesnt apply and is thrown out the window.. I dont know Stallworth but i think if you are going to pass down a penalty then lets be consistent with it.. I know it was not the same judge but he should of looked at Vicks Case and based it off of that.. Makes you wonder about the legal system.

    Roger Goodell Had to save face and give him the indefinant suspension or he would of lost all faith from the fans and players around the league.. But why should he have to be the one to clean up the mess that they made a huge mistake on..

    As Far as Burress and Vick goes they both have head problems if i had to choose between the both I would go with Burress for the fact that his wounds are self inflicting.. But overall the Nfl has to stop treating these players like gold once they have one or two or multiple good seasons.. They must realize that they created these monsters and in a way condone there actions..

    Sorry if this is in the wrong section you could reroute it MOD...

    One last thing.. You'll find out whats going on Twitter Much Faster then the News LOL... its crazy i think that twitter will end up messing alot a stuff up for professional teams...
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/06/19/receivers/index.html?eref=T1
     
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    Hate to sound like a dick, but . . . NFL forum?
     
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    i've heard some similar rants from a number of different nfl sources. there's a little part missing in that logic. vick didn't get all that time **just** for killing dogs. there was also the federal laws he broke too.
    anywho, that's just a small part of your post and i'm not trying to nitpick or anything. honestly i didn't read the article so i don't have much in the way of a rebuttal. just wanted to clear that little part up as its not the first i've read something along those lines.

    also, and i'm not saying its perfect or anything... but if this is a first offense for him, judges will try to be a bt more understanding. i'm sure being able to afford an awesome defense doesn't hurt either.
     
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    fascinating topic that I think about all the time.

    Why are top-flight WR's insane while RB's and QB's are relatively normal?

    A hypothesis.
    1) WR's have an inferiority complex because it's the only glamour position where any individual glory you can achieve must be cut and shared with someone else, namely the QB, who is already the big dog. WR's can never truly separate their success from that of their pretty boy field general.
    2) Also, for different reasons, QB's and RB's can't afford to lose focus. QB's have too much to think about, and I think RB's have to kinda mentally prepare themselves for the enormous physical punishment they take. It changes their perspective and priorities.

    good topic.
     
  5. Gunther

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    Because WRs are known for making BIG plays at any given time.
    BIG plays gets everyone excited because you never know how they are going to come, and the great ones are known for making BIG plays
     
  6. Br4d

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    We're safe from the rabid WR plague because we only have one good one at the moment and he's obviously had his shots.
     
  7. tanknyc

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    I figured after i wrote it that it belonged in the Nfl Section...
     
  8. Jetzz

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    You can't just blame the court system in this. If circumstances of this incident had been different he would have gotten considerable time. Being an NFL receiver had nothing to do with it. Stallworth was guilty, admitted it, cooperated and likely showed genuine remorse over what he did. Add in the fact that the family didn't want to drag this situation out, and that there was a large settlement involved... and you get a guy that dodges a significant bullet.

    I like that the commish is jamming these guys for their infractions off the field. In light of how Stallworth handled his problems I think that should be taken into account in his punishment from the league. I don't expect the league to somehow make up for some manner of justice it feels the court system failed to deliver.
     
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    I was thinking about this and I think the other factor is that most great WR's know two very sobering things:

    First, that they're really only as good as the QB and offensive line let them be. A WR can run a great route and fly by the guy covering him and then everything can break down based on what happened 35 yards behind them. Far more great routes turn into nothing than great throws turn into dropped balls (at least unless your name is Justin McCareins.) The frustration of doing everything just right and then coming up empty without even having the ball come your way probably drives some guys nuts. It probably drives the guys really capable of dominating their guy(s) covering them absolutely crazy at times.

    Second, they know that they're just a few really hard hits away from being retired suddenly. Runningbacks are promoted at least partly on their ability to absorb punishment. Quarterbacks are heavily protected by the rules and the kind of shoulder down bordering on helmet to helmet shot that a WR takes several times a year would probably get a defensive player suspended if they tried to do it to a QB. Wide receivers on the other hand get absolutely leveled, particularly on crossing routes, and they didn't get selected for their ability to absorb that kind of contact, they got selected for their ability to get open and catch the ball.

    So after a few years you have the best WR's knowing that nothing they do matters unless everything else is working ok and also knowing that the next crossing pattern could be their last. I think that's enough to make anybody skittish. The guys who don't get all antsy and crazy about it are the guys who want to go out and hit people on the playing field. Hines Ward isn't an ego-driven whack job because his idea of fun on the field is to clip somebody hard and get away with it. He makes a huge impact all on his own on a lot of plays without having to rely on anybody else.

    Keyshawn Johnson was a huge ego-tripper but he also never got frustrated after his first few seasons. Why? because Keyshawn liked to block and he was damn good at it and he knew it. That gave him something to take his frustrations out on.
     
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  11. tanknyc

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    How could you not blame the court system for the mess up? They should of made the right call and tell me that him being a Nfl Player had nothing to do with it... if it were You or me we would be fried and thrown under the prison at least for a minimum of 5 years... What kinda example do they set for young kids coming up? Like if you drink and drive its okay You kill someone while your driving its okay... You will only get 30 days in Jail and 9 out of ten times he will be seperated from general population... Him admitting to driving drunk was a very noble act but to little to late is my theory..

    When you present a family with the option of millions of dollars in a bad economy and they probably were in debt and poverty of course it would be an eay option to take millions when you never had it... Probably got offered all types of Nfl perks like free games for life and god knows what else.. but as the parents they should of went the distance... And for the record when he first mad a report(Stallworth) he claimed he was Innocent/not guilty so that goes to show where his state of mind is at.. Im above the law!!!
     
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    Someone else made the comment in the other thread on this topic too that the guy was jaywalking as well. You can't just run into the street anywhere (outside of cross walks) and expect that cars are going to miraculously stop for you. Had he been sober and doing the speed limit and had hit and killed the guy he would have had no charges brought against him at all.

    His sentence more or less reflects his own crime in the matter, not so much killing this guy. I think the hammer could have swung harder, maybe a year or two, but then again his house arrest and probation time actually more than make up for that. But that is because I'm really against drunk drivers... it is ridiculous for anyone to ever do it. You would think we would know better by now.
     
  13. tanknyc

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    I think wether if he was jaywalking or not doesn't matter... Becuz your are in Miami City Just like if your in Nyc people Jaywalk and thats just life in the city.. now the fact that your intoxicated and you hit someone brings up the question that did you have full awareness?? In any state I can almost guarantee that the Pedestrian has the right away... If you make all this so called money you can pay your close friend or even hire a driver for the night if you know you gonna go for a couple of drinks... I mean im no angel by far but when you make it to the big spot light you have to live life very carefully and im sure the nfl has all types of meetings on the matter.. Bringing in former nfl players who went threw the same ordeal so you should learn from there mistakes i would think..
     
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    Jaywalking still isn't legal, even it if it is widely done, and widely unenforced. If you make the decision to wander out into traffic like that you are in part responsible for the consequences. This whole "pedestrian has the right of way is bullshit" if a guy darts out into busy 40 mph traffic, a driver isn't going to have any chance to keep from mowing him down. Towns and cities do have laws that help protect pedestrians... much like our towns in NH. If a pedestrian is in the crosswalk you are expected to yield traffic to them. But they cannot just jump out from between parked cars at drivers.
     

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