Some love for Shonn Greene

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  1. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Diamonds In The Rough
    June 15, 2009
    By Rob Rang
    NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst


    Unearthing a handful of diamonds in the rough is what separates great scouting departments from the merely good ones. And last year proved how valuable any rookie -- not just the first-rounders -- can be in their maiden NFL voyage.

    Houston running back Steve Slaton, a third-round pick, led all rookies with 1,282 rushing yards. Arizona's Tim Hightower finished with 10 touchdowns but was drafted in the fifth round. Denver wide receiver Eddie Royal led all rookies in receptions (91), receiving yardage (980) and touchdowns (5) after being selected in the second round. The third most productive rookie wide receiver, Miami's Davone Bess, wasn't even drafted.

    Will third-round pick Chase Coffman provide the tight end target Carson Palmer has been missing? (Getty Images)
    Will third-round pick Chase Coffman provide the tight end target Carson Palmer has been missing? (Getty Images)
    Defensively, Lions pass rusher Cliff Avril tied for the rookie lead in sacks (five) and led all first-year players with four forced fumbles, but was only a third-round pick. The two defensive linemen who tied Avril with five sacks were drafted in the second (Tennessee's Jason Jones) and sixth rounds (Oakland's Trevor Scott).

    Before April's draft, I highlighted five players per position I felt were potential "Diamonds in the Rough" -- players that for whatever reason were not receiving the attention they deserved and would ultimately achieve greater NFL success than most projected.

    This refined version specifies one player per position I believe was drafted into the perfect situation to succeed immediately, whether due to a unique skill set or simply a good fit within the team.

    Below is my "starting lineup" of non-first-round offensive prospects who will surprise early in their NFL careers (defense to follow next week). They could join Slaton, Bills quarterback Trent Edwards, Redskins safety Chris Horton, Giants tight end Kevin Boss, Packers wide receiver James Jones, Eagles linebacker Stewart Bradley and a host of other diamonds in the rough I have highlighted in recent years.

    QB Stephen McGee, Dallas (fourth round; 101st overall): If McGee had received pro-style coaching throughout his time at Texas A&M, he could have been a first-round pick. Taken 100 picks later than Matthew Stafford, there are a number of NFL scouts who feel McGee will eventually be the better NFL quarterback. I'll take it a step further -- it will be McGee, and not current starter Tony Romo, who will be the next quarterback to take the Cowboys to the Super Bowl.

    RB Shonn Greene, N.Y. Jets (third; 65th): Just as the Jets aggressively traded up for quarterback Mark Sanchez on the first day of the draft, coach Rex Ryan and Co. made the same decision to get the first pick of the second day and land Greene, the only running back in the NCAA to rush for more than 100 yards in every game last season. Pessimists might contend that with veterans Thomas Jones and Leon Washington in the fray, Greene won't see the field much, but his short, thick frame is conducive to goal-line carries and running out the clock in the fourth quarter. And Jones and Washington are unhappy with their contracts.

    TE Chase Coffman, Cincinnati (third; 98th): While Carson Palmer was blessed with one of the most talented receiving corps in the NFL throughout much of his early career, he has lacked a sure-handed tight end. That all changed when the Bengals selected Coffman. The son of former Packers tight end Paul Coffman, he was born to play the position. For all the talk of Brandon Pettigrew's run blocking and Jared Cook's speed, if Coffman can fully recover from the broken foot that kept him from running for scouts before the draft and sidelined him during Cincinnati's initial rookie minicamp, he is my favorite to lead all rookie tight ends in receptions.

    WR Juaquin Iglesias, Chicago (third; 99th): It is always difficult to project the handful of rookie receivers who will make an immediate impact, and even more so when focusing on those not taken in the first round. With the Bears bringing in Jay Cutler, however, Iglesias has just as much of a chance to develop a rapport with the strong-armed passer as any Chicago receiver, as only former Vanderbilt teammate Earl Bennett has ever caught a ball thrown from Cutler. Iglesias' reliable route-running and sure hands should make him an early target in the Windy City.

    WR Austin Collie, Indianapolis (fourth; 127th): One of the more underrated receivers in the draft, Collie is the perfect fit for the Colts because of his work ethic, reliable route-running and sticky hands. By the end of his rookie season, Collie will have won the slot position and have established himself as a bona fide presence there -- a la former Colts standout Brandon Stokley.

    WR Patrick Turner, Miami (third; 87th): Considering how much Bill Parcells loves receivers with size and that the Dolphins' top three receivers last season (Ted Ginn Jr., Greg Camarillo and Bess) have an average height of 5-feet-11, Turner will have opportunities to make plays in the red zone. At a legitimate 6-5 and possessing the strong, secure hands to be quite successful in this role, don't be surprised when Turner catches more touchdowns as a rookie than many of the six receivers taken in the first round.

    OT Jamon Meredith, Green Bay (fifth; 162nd): A draft-day faller because of concerns over his toughness and consistency, Meredith's size, athleticism and versatility will ultimately prove him to be a steal in the fifth round for the Packers. With Chad Clifton breaking down, Meredith could see time at all-important left tackle relatively early in his career. Once on the field, don't be surprised if Meredith's play keeps him among the starting five for years.

    OG Kraig Urbik, Pittsburgh (third; 79th): A perfect fit from a scheme standpoint, Urbik is the classic Wisconsin offensive lineman -- tough, physical and at his best blocking straight ahead. Despite winning the Super Bowl, the Steelers allowed the fourth-most sacks in the NFL last season (49) and were fourth worst in average yards gained per rushing attempt (3.7). Urbik, along with fellow Big Ten standout A.Q. Shipley, will provide a degree of physicality that has been surprisingly missing in Pittsburgh.

    C A.Q. Shipley, Pittsburgh (seventh; 226th): The recipient of the Rimington Trophy as the nation's best center, Shipley fell to the seventh round only because his arms are shorter than scouts would prefer, making it tough to project how well he'll handle the bigger, more explosive tackles and nose guards of the NFL. It has been years, however, since I've seen a center use his hands as forcefully and effectively as Shipley. Considering the Steelers' needs up front (see Urbik) and my own confidence in Shipley's toughness and talent, I'm going out on a ledge with this one: Shipley not only makes the Super Bowl champs' opening roster, he'll earn playing time as a rookie and be a starter by his third season.

    OG Duke Robinson, Carolina (fifth; 163rd): Robinson tumbled from a possible top 50 selection after being exposed for his lack of lateral agility in the national championship game. The Panthers might get the last laugh, however, as they'll use Robinson at right guard and allow the 6-5, 330-pounder to do what he does best -- clear holes at the point of attack for the running game. Considering the running talents of DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart and fellow rookie Mike Goodson, a dominant offensive line could carry Carolina deep into the playoffs.

    OT Xavier Fulton, Tampa Bay (fifth; 155th): A nagging shoulder injury robbed Fulton of the senior year I expected of him after he enjoyed a breakout junior campaign. Still, the athletic Fulton has the ability to man the left tackle position and flashes the strength necessary to play on the right side. With the starting positions in the capable hands of Donald Penn and Jeremy Trueblood, Fulton shouldn't be pressed into action early with the Bucs, but he is capable of developing into the valuable sixth-man swing tackle and primary backup for each as a rookie.
     
  2. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully he's the end to all the short yardage spread formations that pissed me off to no end.
     
  3. nyjcanada

    nyjcanada Active Member

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    tough to gauge how valuable greene will be. i think he'll be extremely valuable in terms of running out the clock, but not putting up those feature back numbers.
     
  4. HardHitta

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    He can be that big bruiser back we need. Him and Leon could be our version of Thunder N Lightning. An T.J. doesn't hurt us either. Triple Threat.
     
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    this season he will get his legs under him and get some carries here and there. he we eventually take over for thomas jones as the starter one day. i can even see it being next year.
     
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    hes a beast
     
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    He's cool as hell, check out his facebook. I cant post links so just search his name...
     
  8. Hemi

    Hemi Well-Known Member

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    I am guessing that if he can show something this year, he may be the starter next year, replacing Jones.
     
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    sec314 Well-Known Member

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    Good stuff. Imagine that, we get a starting RB down the road the same year we grab our franchise qb. Aikman/Emmit, Bradshaw/Franco , ..... etc
     
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    I watched him kill Penn State last year, he almost beat them single handedly, refused to go down...
     
  11. Andy_M

    Andy_M Well-Known Member

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    Oooohhhhh.....dangerous ground for a JET fan there 314......:rofl2:



    I can't wait to see him in action at this level. I think he is going to be a lot more valuable to us before the year is over than many people think. He's a truck......and we NEED a truck. Jones is a Mustang and Leon is a Ferrari. The Mustang looks all badass, and it has decent power, but it is put down pretty easily and it can't turn. Give the Ferrari even a little opening and it's freaking gone.
     
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    I predict that Greene will be a breakout performer as a rookie. While his touches may be limited early in the season, I expect that the quality of his performance in whatever opportunities he is given will make the expansion of his role and ensuing playing time a given. Particularly with the likelihood of having a rookie QB under center, we will be running the ball a ton and Greene in my mind is our best bet to consistently accumulate yardage on a play by play basis. He doesn't have great top end speed (neither did Curtis Martin) but like Martin, he has tremendous feet and runs with an amazingly low pad level for a player his size. He really reminds me of a slimmed down version of Jerome Bettis. Provided there is no drop off in the play of our O-line this year, I expect Greene to be nothing short of a revelation for us this year not unlike McClain was for the Ravens last year, only more so.
     
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    I agree. I expect good things from Greene. I would be highly surprised if this guy doesn't deliver. I think he might be the best RB rookie for this upcoming season as well. He has to get better receiving and I'm sure he will be adequate enough in that area. Sanchez likes to check down ( at least from what I've seen) so Greene has to make that a larger part of his game
     
  14. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I am eagerly awaiting this kid smacking the ILBs of the AFC East right in the mouth. He knows how to hit a defender.
     
  15. GreenHornet

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    Yes, but if Greene slaps and kills a fly on the bench, PETA will be after him.
     
  16. nyjcanada

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    i love this analogy...
     
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    Got some mad love for Shonn Greene, watched a lot of his games last year, and the guy just doesn't go around, you can hit him like a truck on road kill but unless you wrap him up he's not going down. He was the perfect back for us to take, this season he will run the clock down and come into short yardage situations, but don't believe that's all he can do, he is a feature back, and will be taking over from TJ, but lets allow him to settle in this year, run the clock and then next season will be his break out year. Couldn't be happier with the pick.
     
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    brothermoose Well-Known Member

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    I heard Shonn can tote two rocks at the same time without missing a beat.
     
  19. Altoona

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    What is your reasoning for letting him settle for year? Provided he's fully up to speed on the play book and handles his blocking assignments effectively, if he's ready to bust out, why would you want to ease him in? He's going to be 24 years old when the season starts and unlike other offensive skill positions, running back is the position where rookies excel most often. The only reason I could see for limiting his play would be if he has trouble or is slow to pick up the play book. Otherwise, part of me hopes that we trade TJ and have him carry a 60/40 load distribution with Leon. I think he has the potential to be have a huge impact right away and if the bull is ready to run, I don't see why you'd want to hold him back.
     
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    I did not watch alot of Greene in College but I like what I have seen as far as highlights and what I have read---I saw a few places where he was compared to Lamont Jordan as far as running style--many of us luved Lamont when he was here, a shame things have not turned out better for him, maybe some if not all of that is his own doing?
     

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