What is a second round worth?

You can never tell until the deal is done and see what a player does.

 

ask Syracuse Jet his theory and definition of the term "worth". By HIS definition, if your willing to pay for any of these players, then they are worth it.

 

Technically, he has a point. For the people involved in a deal, the agreed upon price sets the worth of the item. As far as the actual value of an NFL pick? It really depends on what you get out of it.

I'd expect a 2nd round pick to be a solid starter in the league. Perhaps not an All-Pro, but a valuable asset. However, that can't be determined until a few years down the line, as hoobash said. Ditka felt Ricky Williams was worth his entire draft, but in hindsight, he wasn't even worth the pick with which he was taken.

When it comes to Austin, the Jets obviously feel he's worth our 2nd round pick. That's where they have set the value. The actual value of Austin, however, won't be known until at least later this season.

 

a second round pick is worth a pack of gum if you decide that the pack of gum is worth a second round pick.

 

Depends if we pick the likes of justin milller and victor hobson.. then our pick is worthless

 

Completely agree, and in the mean time lets give him and the coaches the benefit of the doubt. We can slam the management in the future if it doesn't come off.

 

We will trade back to around 28 in first round picking up a 3rd and 6th for our troubles.

This will allow us to draft a cb/de/rb in that slot.

Tanny has made good moves the last two off seasons people need to have faith and stop acting likes drama queens!

 

Jets fans duck and cover at the 1st sign of adversity and worry when too much success is bestowed upon the team they root for.

that request will never be fulfilled.

 

the pats gave up their second rd pick 3 years ago for that little receiver welker, and everyone was saying they gave up too much for him.
in hindsight, they got 1st rd value. the guy has caught over a 100 passes each of the last two years and is almost un-coverable.

if the jets can get 70 catches a year out of austin, he will have been worth the pick. if it happens(?) time will tell....

 

one billion dollars.

 

Wes Welker gives me nightmares....and that's a good point, i had completely forgotten how they got him. :up:

 

Yes to the first 3 options.

 

...we can thank Nick Saban for the Welker move; being a close friend of BB (maybe his only)
...Saban told Belecheat that Welker was a star waiting to burst out and the Pats should do whatever they needed to do to get him from the Fins, who he bailed out on....

 

imo a 2nd round pick is worth a starter, not an allpro but a guy that helps the team out and does his job when called upon, a guy like shaun ellis or barton

 

Just compare Welker's first three years in Miami to Austin's, however, and you will observe that Welker had already demonstrated his potential value and consistency to a far greater degree than Austin has to this point.

Welker came into the league in 2004 and didn't see any playing time. In 2005-6 he compiled 96 receptions for 1121 yards. He put up these respectable numbers as a situational player (he started only 3 games) and hauling in passes from five different future HOF QBs (Ferotte, Rosenfels, Harrington, Culpepper, and Lemon).

Austin, like Welker, did nothing his first year with Dallas in 2006. His 2007-8 totals are pale in comparison (18 catches for 354 yards). Although they are entirely different types of receivers, Austin's hands and route running ability are not remotely comparable to Welker's.

The general consensus was that the Patriot's hugely overpaid for Welker by giving up a 2nd rounder despite the fact that he had already put forth a significantly more substantial body of work to demonstrate his true ability and potential which I have a hard time saying about Austin.

 

Agreed!


The only bad part about the Cassel trade was his contract price, but all three are still worth the 2nd round pick.

I am always for a proven player over a draftee.

 

We all know what a second round pick is worth to the Jets: Justin McCareins.

 

Are we talking about pick #33 or pick number #60? There is a huge difference. Like players not all second round picks have the same value just because the have the same label.

Also in the OP's scenario's above he fails to list other added values in the moves like:

Freeing up a ton of cap space and trading Cassel to a team that the Pats wanted him to go to.

or

Keeping a young vet in Austin who the Staff seems to like in Dallas.

or

Ridding them selves of an older, Malcontent, often selfish receiver from Cincy.

Each trade can not be looked at just for pure talent value. To do that alone misses a big part of the picture.

 

Something is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

I've seen so many things that are worth X-amount of money but if you tried selling it for what it's "worth" you'd never get anything close to it.

I'd say "worth" is subjective.

To a team needing a QB, Cassel is worth a 2nd round pick. To the Pats he wasn't "worth" holding on to and paying all that $ to, because they had Brady.

Me, i'm a "show me" kinda guy.

i believe a player who has shown he can perform on the NFL level is "worth" more then a player coming from the college ranks.