I think you are confusing having arm strength and having a canon for an arm. Almost all QB in the NFL have decent arm strength. Montana didn't have a noodle arm and even our Pennington didn't have a noodle arm until after his injuries. Montana did not have a canon, but his arm was strong enough to get the ball to his guy on all those cross routes before the defense could get there. If he were floating everything, Jerry Rice would have been beheaded. In a WCO his timing was even more important, but if he had a noodle arm, it would not have worked as well. As for Penny, I like the guy, but he wasn't the reason they won last year. Dolphins (and Jets) had very weak schedules and Miami had an excellent running game. Penny didn't lose it for them (until the playoffs), but he wasn't winning the game for them. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. :wink:
"...Dude, it's called a "6 yard out" or a "button hook". Not a "six yards and out" or "butt-n-hook". ..." That's the way they called the routes (and spelled them too) when I was growing up down south. Sorry but we seem to have had different experiences.
"...What in the god damn hell does this mean? The wideouts are not so intense that they develop hands of stone when the ball arrives? WHAT? GTFOH...." I guess you need to watch wideouts that are having trouble catching the ball. Check out Jerry Rice when he first got to the 49ers. In his discussions about Joe Montana (after he's left to go to KC) he talks about how much trouble he had catching the ball, and Joe just kept coming to him till he got out of it. Same is true with Edwards -- he runs a perfect route, if you watch him, and the ball hits his hands and just kind of bounces off his fingers. In replays, they really look as if they can't feel the ball. The wide out gets so intense about catching the ball that he kind of psychs himself out of it. There were guys like that on teams I've seen close up, too. ...Guess you have to be there.
"...a cotton ball nestling in???? WTF???????? You realize this is a football message board, right?..." There is no feeling better than catching up to a ball that is 'feathering' in, you can just pluck it out of the air without breaking a stride and go on up into the next gear. Like I said... guess you would have to be there...
Chad Kinda Shocked You In His After Game Interview... I just couldn't believe how he said how well he still felt about two or three of those throws he made for interceptions. Guess he had to go back and look at the film to get rid of those convictions, huh?
Is there a reason you couldn't have address those comments all in one post? The ones that were all from the same post. What's with the post count padding?
Never Thought About It... Actually, the thought didn't occur to me, as I was doing more than one thing when I put those out. Probably would have been more efficient, at that.
Sinji says "As for Penny, I like the guy, but he wasn't the reason they won last year." I would totally disagree with that. Their running game struggled all year except for the successful plays out of the Wildcat formation. I think the JETS put up more yards than the FINS running the ball. Ask the Dolphin fans (or coaching staff) who their MVP was last year and 80% will say Pennington. The coaches have stated that numerous times. He was consistently good during the regular season. Pennington, when healthy, throws the ball well enough to succeed (as he has done) in the NFL. Even before his surgery his negatives were foot speed and arm strength. The surgery amplified the arm strength issue but that seems to be reverting back to preop form. Chad had the second highest passer rating in the league playing behind an inexperienced OL and throwing to WR's nobody knew.
2008 MVP voting: Peyton Manning Colts 32 Chad Pennington Dolphins 4 Michael Turner Falcons 4 Adrian Peterson Vikings 3 James Harrison Steelers 3 Philip Rivers Chargers 2 Chris Johnson Titans 1 Kurt Warner Cardinals 1 ------------ Wheres the shame in that?
BR didn't throw any INT's in the BAL game. Are you referring to Pennington's 4 INT performance against BAL? As for the rest of your responses, my replies were mostly about the language/phrases you chose to use rather than the context. There's no need to try and sound like you're trying to write some kind of novel when writing on here. Fruity descriptions and analogies generally aren't going to be well taken IMO. I certainly don't speak for everyone but I know I could go a long time without reading about "nestling in like a cotton ball" on the Jets forum. Maybe the phrases for routes are different in different regions. I've been in the NE my whole life and it's always been n yard out for an out pattern and button hook for a button hook.
Hey Blobins, who is Sinji? Wildcat, good D, weak schedule., etc.... He kept the offense from losing the game, but I can't say he won the games. Weak arm showed in playoffs where he got destroyed by the Ravens. High passer rating cause nothing traveled over 5 yards. BTW, you telling me to ask a Dolphin fan their opinion makes you totally lose all credibility. :wink:
It's absurd to pick out one game to judge a QB in the NFL, even if it is a playoff game. Peyton Manning threw something like 7 picks in two consecutive playoff losses to the Pats earlier this decade. Do we judge him on those games? Did that mean he couldn't beat a good defense or win in the playoffs? If there is one thing that can be taken from the past few season in the NFL it is that all that a team really needs to do is make the playoffs and then play good defense. The team that wins is the team that plays well for a month.
By the way, there is a great article in the current issue of The Sporting News that discusses first round QB busts. The main point of the article is that QBs have the highest bust percentage of any other position drafted in the first round (over 50%)(By the way, RB is second and WR is fourth, I believe). Then the article goes on to analyze why QBs fail. The #1 reason is that NFL scouts put too much emphsis on ARM STRENGTH and not on the ability to play the position.
I agree, its unbelievable how hyped up people get over a couple good looking exhibition games from ratliff. Also, if you recall, he did NOT have an impressive pre-season game against the giants this year. Clemens played decent and he had NO OFFENSIVE LINE. Give this guy a chance.
I just saw someone had part of this post as there signature and remembered how freakin awesome it was.
