Almost every person I see Wanting D'Brick & Mangold speak as if they will make an Instant impact on the O-Line. Let me explain something here: Both these players will need at least 2 Years to become 1st Team Starters in the NFL. Again: BOTH WILL NEED AT LEAST 2 YEARS! Yes, even D'Brick is considered a project. They are both Solid players (I've seen D'Brick but I haven't seen Mangold play) but they WILL NOT provide instant gratification. It is very rare for a rookie O-Lineman to come in and become a Stopper on the O-line. Sure, We can pick em' but It'll be a few years before they make a Mark. So please, Stop with the Mangold this and D'Brick That and Instantly Great o-line talk.
I agree. It will take them a few years to gain the skills to become NFL starters. My major problem with drafting D Brick is that one o-linemen won't do anything for you, it's the whole group that makes a difference, i would be upset if they just upgrade LT and leave the rest alone, they need to use there 1st 3 picks on o-line for me not to be upset, #4 D Brick, #29 Mangold, #35 Davin Joseph. This gives the Jets a great o-line for years to come. If they don't follow this plan than i feel that D Brick would be a bit of a waste.
I agree with you in the fact that if we pick up two offensive lineman with our first three picks they will not be ready to start in 2006. But I truely believe that these players can become starters by 2007. I like C Nick Mangold, OG Davin Joseph and OT Marcus McNeil alot though. If we picked up any of these players, I really think that they can be ready to go by 2007. I am completely for picking at LEAST 2 Offensive Lineman on Day 1. If we can draft a good C and/or RT with either #29 or #35, it will really pay off in 2007. Here I'll name a few offensive lineman that came in and started a full season this year who were rookies: -Logan Mankins OG New England (1-32) -William Whittacker OG Green Bay (Mid 7th round) -Michael Roos RT Tennessee (Early 2nd round) -Khalif Barnes LT Jacksonville (Mid 2nd round) -Nick Kazcur OT New England (Late 3rd)(Half of season) -Elton Brown OG Arizona (Mid 4th) -Dan Buening OG Tampa Bay (Mid 4th) These are most of the guys who came in and made an impact on their team's Offensive Line early. I really don't think it is unreasonable to say that two Day 1 offensive lineman we pick (earlier preferibley) will be able to come in and start by 2007 at least. Good topic you started, Royaltree. :up:
Which is exactly my point. That's why I said we can pick 'em, it's just the talk of them steppin' right in and making an impact that I was addressing.
While you may be right, everything I have read about D'Brick & Mangold suggests that they can both start in their rookies seasons, of course they will get better with experience, but they could well instantly improve our crappy line. Look at Steinbach or Mankins both started and both had good years, so why not D'Brick & Mangold !!!! (especially D'Brick)
What we shout do is draft Oline in midrounds instead of early rounds. Then we can groom them to start in a few years.
Thanks. :up: Also, it's TEE not TREE :wink: If I'm correct, Both NE's Linemen were because of Injury. Also, While it is plausible for a rookie to start out of necessity, for a Rookie to become an instant Stopper is rarely achieved. Remember, I am addressing them making an Instant impact. Not just starting.
well, you also have to consider that cohesion is the key to O-line play, so even though you can't expect them to be stars immediately, they are making an impact immediately because they are developing that cohesion now.
Good OL usually take time to gel however Parcells and Bellicheck both have preferred big maulers over finesse type lineman and both have gotten instant results from rookie starters because of that philosophy. Fabini came in and started from day 1 and did very well until his back gave out. If we get big maulers we can plug 1 or 2 in and get an instant improvement. Don't forget the line sucked last year and it wouldn't take a lot to get a big improvement. That's why I much prefer to get a big RT and interior lineman than go after another LT who is going to need a year or two to develop.
Mangini is from the Parcells/Bellichick school. And that maintains, whom ever is the best performmer, will be the one who plays. Ferguson and Mangold will have their shot to start if they are indeed who we decide to draft. may the best man win.
As opposed to that the Herman School that said rookies need to marinate for a while unless forced into duty. Maddening.
nothing like the bench to teach you football. then in 3 years they are considered vets and can contribute to the team.
I agree, you don't need to draft 2 OL with the 1A and 1B picks but YOU DO NEED ONE! For a team that has so many holes to fill, I think you would be smart to protect your QB. If Chad and and that other guy wasn't a testament of what you do need...expect an even longer season. As far as rooks taking at least two years to actually "figure out"...make a google search on Shane Olivea (RT for the SD). Picked in the 7th round in 2004 and made an IMMEDIATE IMPACT on our team.
Chiefs fans should thank their lucky stars that they saw what Larry Johnson could do before Herm got there. Priest Holmes would have otherwise been looking at 350 carries next year.
The same is true for just about every position in the NFL, and some take longer than others. WR's take three years to develop. Very few WRs produce until their third season. The same can be said for defensive tackles. QBs take the longest to develop. It usually takes until a QBs third or fourth year before they are truly NFL ready. The ONLY position that does not take time is RB - it is an instinctive position. That is why there is never any hurry to draft a RB. It is the position with the most readily available players in the NFL and you can draft a RB at any time and plug him in instantly. With all the holes the Jets have, there is no instant fix. But drafting OL still makes sense because it it the Jets biggest hole. While it may not fix the problem for 2006, it certainly will make the Jets better for a long time with a fixtures at the tackles for years to come.
The beauty part of it all was Herm coming in and magnanimously declaring Johnson the week 1 starter. As if Priest Holmes hadn't just had surgery.
You're right, but how often does a rookie at any position provide the instant gratification you're talking about? The 2 spots that seem to have the best success rate with it are RB and outside edge rushers, but again there are plenty of exceptions.
