i hate this QB philosophy. its rare that it takes a franchise to the promise land. this defense is going to need 6 HOFers on it and an All-Century RB plus OL to win it all. I'm too much of a QB proponent to enjoy 'game managers'... its not my style... at least the defense will play how i like - smack you in the mouth.
balanced attack with power running and a strong passing game. I don't need drew brees and his crew, but 11 guys who love playing with each other and know how to win. Ball control is fine, but when the game is on the line, its time to make plays - not play safe. I need QB who make make all the throws... the 4th qtr is his, clutch is his middle name. He is the unquestioned leader of the team and a face of the franchise. Does he need the top QB rating and passing yards? No, he needs to be a winner, and the players need to feed off of that. I want to know that when I go into battle on sunday, that guy behind center can put me in a position to win this game, and that I know if we are down, he is going to pick me back up. Pure leader through his vains, confidence unwavering..... its been a long time since that's been around.
If he were clearly the #1 guy there would be no competition. Many in the organization think Ratliff is the answer. This is just another competition for him to lose. He felt uncertain because he was the worst starting QB in the NFL after he took over for Chad. I see Ratliff winning this competition, not because I'm so sure he's great, but because I know Clemens isn't.
While I think the Jets will be much improved on defense, I don't see them being elite. There are still many question marks. How good is Scott without Lewis? Can Sheppard return to All Pro form or is he the guy who got torched and lost his starting job? Can Leonhard be a solid starting safety without a ton of dominant players around him. Is Gholston worth anything? If these moves turn out well the defense will be much improved. If only some of then, then only somewhat improved. This theory that the Jets will just run, run, run, is dumb, dumb, dumb. They will have to throw the ball and do it well to win. They probably won't try to light it up with the long ball, but if they have no passing game, teams will line up eight in the box and shut them down. Just ask the Giants, who have a much more established QB than the Jets. I have to believe Ryan feels the QBs he has are capable of more than just handing off the ball. Part of me also says this is a smoke screen so they don't tip their hat while looking at QB in the draft. If Sanchez or Stafford fall I can see the Jets going for them. I think at this point Ryan feels there are no great options in FA and he just as well off going with Clemens or Ratliff. Like he said, why bring in a vet just to have a vet?
Damn, you beat me to it. I've been thread-crapping that in all the threads that have been saying that this kind of offense needs a 'smart game-manager, who is good at reading defenses, and doesn't turn the ball over'. This is clearly CP when healthy and behind a good O-line. Thanks a lot, Brett. Then again, Rex might not be here if we never got Farve...
as of right now they are an improved team and the questions about the players are not as bad as they were before FA started. the comment about Harris and Scott playing the MIKE LB and confusing offenses with that is really important, because if a QB and OL doesn't know who is who, they're fucked. i hope you are right, that Tanny is throwing the biggest smokescreen out there to grab a QB if they fall.. Mayock had an interesting point about Sanchez - out of all the QBs, he has the highest floor - which means worst case you get a ball control kid who isn't the next QB icon, but he is a leader. game managers who are leaders too. Sanchez fits that mold. And he's won his bowl game, so the argument that he is a winner is won... but he has to sit a whole year - so Clemens/Ratliff can play and the Jets can evaluate them, but I'd like to have something in case both don't pan out.
If he were clearly the #1 guy there would be no competition. Many in the organization think Ratliff is the answer. This is just another competition for him to lose. He flet uncertain because he was the worst starting QB in the NFL after he took over for Chad. I see Ratliff winning this competition, not because I'm so sure he's great, but because I know Clemens isn't. I find this a interesting statement everytime a fan say he was a worst starter then Chad and Chad had a better QB rating and Chad numbers were far and above the rookie. So I will ask you and every other fan here who uses this arguement this question. Both QB played behind the same O line, How many games did Chad win and how many games did Kellen win? Throw the numbers out the window because you could have the best numbers in the NFL but if you lose every game those numbers don't mean shit... Now you add in the drops that cost us at least 2 more games and you have Kellen 5 Chad 0. That right there earn the kid a second chance with a good team around him.. I like Ratliff and think he could really develop but untill I see him against a first teams defense the jury's still out ...
Dustin Keller is a Tight End. Technically not a "receiver". However, he is a "receiving option". haha. :breakdance:
I completely agree with you. One of the biggest popular myths in all of sports is that having an all-pro quarterback isn't particularly helpful in trying to win a superbowl. People love to bring up the 2000 Ravens or the 2002 Bucs, however, as you pointed out in another thread, it is historically rare for a team to win the superbowl without getting well above average to elite quarterback play.
I agree. Chad Pennington (although i dont think he is great or anything) played horrible behind the same line Clemens played behind. I would be dissapointed if the Jets dumped Clemens before seeing what he can do behind this O-Line. If Ratliff or another QB beats him out then fine. But he should be given a chance to be the starter and it looks like he will.
WE dont until either him or Clemens get a chance to play with a real Rushing game, a good solid o-line and a Defense that wants to win vrs. not wanting to break. Clemens was out of the same draft that produced Jay Cutler who looked like a damn LB at the combine. I wanted him badly that year. Its now THIS year. Brian HAS to have a grip on what both kids bring to the Jets dinner table. Time to let our next QB for the future 10 years make a statement. My Money is on Brett as he has that damn cannon arm, but I'd be just as happy for Clemens to win the spot. Both kids deserve the chance to compete, and this coming from a 38 plus year Jets fan. We may have the next "Neil ODonnell" or the next " Richard Todd", time will tell but these kids deserve a chance to start. :breakdance:
The Clemens won more game argument is bullshit. Pennigton played two good games against the 16-0 Patriots. He played like crap against the Giants who made Brady look bad in the Super Bowl and he played like garbage against the Eagles, another good team. Both Pennigton and Clemens beat the Dolphins. Clemens other wins were against Pittsburgh, a good team where he played like crap, and against the Chiefs, a terrible team where he again played like crap and won only because of Thomas Jones. The only game Clemens played well in was the Dolphins game. He played okay against the Redskins and pretty much like crap against the rest of the teams he faced. So please, stop with that silly argument. Quarterbacks don't win or lose games on their own.
I feel the same way. On both your statements. I really think we are going to be surprised by just how good this kids going to be. He's got all the intangables you look for when evaluating a QB. I know all the naysayers on this site are going to pounce but i am really comfortable with the thought of Ratliff beating out Clemens and being our starting QB.
I don't know about other Jets fans, but I'd be thrilled if the Jets were to end up with Sanchez. Clemens has shown little and Ratliff is too much of an unknown. Sanchez has potential and given the Jets situation, unless they see something they really don't like in the guy, they'd be nuts not to take him if he were to drop.
Sanchez has as much potential as who,:breakdance: Clemens as a Rookie or Brett? Dont both our young QB's have just as much potential as a guy just coming into Brians offense? Why waste a pick on a kid who doesnt know the offense only to bump out two other guys who havent been given a chance. Clemens didnt have shit of a Wr core, rushing game or o-line. Yes he looked bad at times, but who the hell wouldnt behind that crappy offense at that time? Steve Largent couldnt have produced with that shitty o-line! We drafted these two kids for a reason. Give them a few games to play. Hell, its not like ANY of the FA's are getting signed right now anyways! Draft money is waaaay soft.
