Didn't read them and can't possibly keep track of who stands for what on which side of whatever issue, so please excuse me for not knowing your stand in this issue. I guess it's safe to assume you don't like Tannenbaum and want him gone. You're entitled to that opinion but I don't share it.
I don't think he has too much power, he has the power of a GM and he has not been horrible, he drafted David Harris, traded for Thomas Jones, signed Faneca, drafted Keller, who will be a good TE for years to come, solidified the OL...yes some of his picks have not panned out, but name me a GM who has a track record for making every pick a great pick and just for kicks I don't want Shannahan or Cowher if they want complete control as a matter of fact I can't think of a team recently that has won a superbowl who had the position of HC/Player personnel...please correct me if I'm wrong... my concern is signing a good football coach that can be here for 10 years and put together some winning seasons and possibly a SB.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=1100698&postcount=8 http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=1100714&postcount=12 http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=1091360&postcount=71 http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=1089047&postcount=47 Sorry for being terse, I just want change in this FO that has needed to happen since Parcells left. And hasn't. It's just appeared to change. We kept Tanny and took on Bradway at Parcells' advice on his way out the door. Tanny continues to have contact with BP right up until the point where Tuna takes a job with probably our most historic and hated rival. I'm sick of this whole 'Parcells cadre of personnel' and I want them all out.
Of all of your above arguments, the last link is your most powerful. It truly is an eye-opener when you look at the entire draft and what became of each pick. Still, there's what he did in the offseason last year. That was stunning. Okay, Favre didn't work out, but that was an absolutely stunning off-season for Tanny, so all that has to be taken into consdieration along with his excellent talent at managing the cap (that includes introducing clauses into guys' contracts that get us off the hook cap wise and also trades that have provisions that cost us less if the player doesn't pan out or get us more if the player we traded away is successful). So, I still lean toward keeping Tannenbaum. I know you'd like a complete change in the FO... "cleaning house" as you put it, but I don't think, at this particular juncture, that that would be the smartest thing to do. We need to finish building what I think we started. Despite what seems such an abysmal point in time, there are still things we can build on and talent on the field worth adding to. Bringing in another GM at this point (or a "full control"-type guy) is much more risky than just trying to finish what we've got going now.
I agree with your last sentence in particular, we had success running the ball this year and I think next year will be the same barring injuries....let's not tear it all down.
The O-line still needs to do a better job... not sure what's up with that. But maybe better coaching decisions will help even if we're not able to change personnel. I do think the addition of one, good, strong, kick-ass WR would liven things up considerably and would help the running game as well. Not in favor of Favre staying... I think I'd like to see a lot more of Ratliff and see what he could do. I'd still like to see a Brandon Jacobs-type back brought in here too. Jones is good, but if we're going to pound him consistently, we're going to need more beef. Maybe Caulcrick is that guy... he looked good at TC this year.
So perfect for this board. Fire Tannenbaum. He has no football skills. No real life skills. All he knows his how to count his beans and say "yes" to Woody. He's a brainless, mindless, stupid talking head. Abyz, I'd suggest reading this over and over and thinking about this. Also loved seeing D'Brick called a journeyman LT.
It's easy for him to say that after the fact when it was obvious Cowher wasn't coming here, not to mention he (or Woody) supposedly didn't even meet with Cowher, according to his own interview with Boomer and Carton. Whether every printed word is true or not, just the candidates that are being interviewed for the coaching job would lead you to believe there's truth to the fact Tannenbaum doesn't want anyone around that's a threat to him.
Uh... 1. Calling someone a journeyman multiple times doesn't actually make them a journeyman. I can say Brick is a super elite LT and offer no explanation like you have. Doesn't mean much. Even going into that, the definition of journeyman is broad, and can be good...cause what that says to me is that our 25 year old 3 year starter at LT could start on most teams. Thats great for me, but I realize D'Brick should be on his way to a dominant, no one can touch him HOF career. Thats what your average #4 pick becomes. 2. "which, if you get past the few elite players we acquired, weren't really ALL THAT" would make 0 sense to anyone who actually follows the draft. You know what fucks up this franchise more than bean counting GM's and n00b HC's? A fan base more obsessed with proving how these GM's and HC's are just bean counters and n00bs. I'm pretty sure every team in the NFL would kill to have drafts like the Jets have had over their past 3. Unless you expect a standard draft to look like the '74 Steelers draft...then thats your thing.
Yes, the fanbase has not won a Super Bowl in almost 40 years. Thanks for clearing that up for me, junior.
Uh huh. Nice spin move around my argument. D'Brick the journeyman, and meh drafts once you throw out the elite players acquired...those are two perfectly legit points to prove how Tanny and this team haven't REALLY done anything in 3 years or whatever it is you're trying to prove. BTW: Whats the common denominator through all 40 years of failure? Coaches change. Players change. GM's change. Even owners change. But the fanbase is still generally the same. It's not like fans aren't part of the organization...or that they have 0 say...
What argument? Are you seriously trying to tell me or anyone that Brick is elite? Seriously? Please, say it. Type the words 'D'Brickashaw Ferguson is an elite Left Tackle'. I need a laugh. He is above average as a pass blocker and average at best when it comes to run-blocking. That, to me, is a journeyman or slightly above. BTW, that argument about the fanbase as the reason for failure... is possibly the stupidest fucking thing I have ever read.
Couldn't agree more... The offseason has only been 8 days, but they have been a truly miserable 8 days...
It's a bunch of BS. If the Jets continue to lose, Tannenbaum will be out of a job as well plain and simple. This isn't Detroit.
Um... but they aren't part of the organization... and they do have 0 say... Is there some sort of office party going on somewhere that I'm not aware of?
It must be a pretty wild one, with hallucinogenics being handed out. What company still does that these days?
I'm glad he did, he also got us 6 turnovers from the super bowl. Maybe if he gave out a few more we would be sitting here with 2 rings instead of one.
Really? Even as stupid as "if you ignore the elite players they drafted, it's not THAT good." And who said anything about D'Brick being elite? He's 25 and had 3 seasons at a position that you improve at as you get older...and he's gotten significantly better since draft day... I don't go the extremist routes for comedic effect. Thats kind of your guys' job. I just like to point it out when I see it.
