No. Brett Favre lost this team. Idk how you could say Mangini lost this team when every single player has complimented him on his job and said there was nothing more that he could do. AND on top of that, every player has said it didnt really seem Favre was part of the team and/or he should have been benched. This season was NOT Mangini's fault. Yes, there was some questionable play calling, but a lot of that had to do with the fact Mangini didn't have his QB. Mangini was a hard worker, was respected by his players, and was smart strategically IMO. I hate to say it, but this whole debacle is certainly partially our fault as fans. If we didn't call for his head, Mangini would still be our couch. If we didn't call for Chad's head, Chad would still be our QB. Woody has been pressured by the new stadium to make drastic moves, not necessarily right ones, so fans feel it's an organization trying to win so they pay the PSL. When, in reality, all these moves represent instability, which is why finding our next head coach will be uber difficult. Bringing in Favre and firing Mangini I believe sets this franchise back at least 2-3 years.
Agreed. I didn't think Mangini was an awful coach, but I thought that he was young and made too many mistakes and never learned from them. Of course, Brett Favre's absolutely awful play also hurt badly and he HAS to go. There is no scenario that includes him being in a Jet uniform that I want to see in 2009. None. Blame Bob Sutton and Brian Schottenheimer if you want, and while they may have called some bad games (especially Sutton dating back to the 2007 season), it's the head coach's job to see that this defense isn't working and that the offensive play calls favored the pass too much. He didn't do this. He made no changes to the defense when they let Shaun Hill, Seneca Wallace and Jay Cutler absolutely tear up his defense. This team never seemed to make half time adjustments. They were outcoached and played noticeably worse in the second half of just about every game. I was a Mangini supporter, but after the second half of this season I really felt it was time for a change on this coaching staff. My top two candidates are Rex Ryan and Steve Spagnuolo. And both are in the playoffs, so we're going to have to wait.
Besides when we fired Carroll and had Kotite announced when did you ever hear of a team having the replacement named upon the coach's firing. Did Cleveland, Detroit and Denver have their successor lined up before they fired their coach?
I don't disagree with wanting and needing an upgrade. There's never any harm in doing that across the board for any position. But what was the urgency in firing Mangini before we at least had someone seriously interested and willing to come here? Perhaps that someone is Spagnuolo and we're obligatorily abiding by the NFL rules and the Rooney Rule before hiring him. If that's so, so be it and it will have worked out. But I just don't see the wisdom in firing this guy so quickly without a plan (if we didn't have one... maybe we do and I hope we do) in place.
Mangini's inability to connect with his owner was a big factor in him being fired. Also the lack of changing his game plan during a game was another mark against him. The Jets never went off what the they had scripted during practice that week even when it wasn't working.Mangini may be a decent HC one day but that day won't be with the Jets.
A telling statistic is that the Jets did not win ONE game in which they trailed at halftime. That means he was unable to make adjustments, something good coaches do.
every player? who? TJ? His statements were more a shot at Mangini than Favre. was Favre supposed to bench himself?
Those are valid reasons. I'd probably add that he's not enough of a "people person" and brings zero emotion to the game. It's all about X's and O's with him. I've never (not once) seen him actually coached anyone. Belichick, on the contrary, was a hell of a coach first and then an X's and O's guru second. I also think there was something significant with the Favre signing. It's starting to sound like MAngini was against it and had built the team around Chad and the running game. Woody wanted Favre as a PSL magnet and therein lies the rub. If things disintegrated between Mangini and Woody at that point, that also explains the immediate firing.
The valid reason for firing Mangini so quickly after the Miami game is because they knew he needed to be fired. Regardless of whether or not the successor is planned, there is no reason to string Mangini along by not firing him. First of all, you can't interview new coaches without firing your current coach. Secondly, it is bad for the players to think that one guy is going to be their coach when he isn't. This could lead to wasted time and effort on all parts. Mangini is not built to be a head coach. He has a pretty good defensive mind, but he can't inspire a team or make adjustments. He also has no idea how to keep his other coaches in check, let alone the players. If a player screws up, he should get chewed out. That didn't happen. No players were accountable for their mistakes, including Favre. That needs to happen. Also, when coaches make bad decisions or call bad plays, like a bomb on 3rd and 1 for example, the head coach needs to check them as well. Mangini was bad at this, and for this reason, he lost control of his team and deserved to be fired.
If you or anyone else think the QB play was the only problem on this team, you either have a mental disability or are on serious drugs. So (for example) a passing defense ranked 29th of 32 NFL teams is no impediment to getting to "the big game"??? LMAO. Not even Favre was remotely close to being that bad; even after the fianl five week meltodown our passing ranking still only fell from around maybe 6th to 16th. 16th rank in offensive passing is better than 29th rank in defense passing, last time I checked. You can always tell serious football fans from superficial ones because the superficial ones never worry or even think about the defense.
Mangini is a pussy plain and simple...i'm sorry but i will always look back to the first drive of the Seattle game...WHY THE FUCK DID WE NOT GO FOR IT ON 4TH & 1!?!?!!?? WE WERE POUNDING THE BALL DOWN THE THROATS WITH JONES AND t-RICH!
I've said this in many posts: Ignore the game in Buffalo. With the exception of a gift from God, we were 8-8, losers of our last 5. Looks different at 8-8 than 9-7. As many people pointed out, he made WORSE decisions as his career progressed.
I guess we are going to need to listen to crap like this until we actually hire another head coach. There are a million "we made a mistake with Mangini" threads out there.
Not a snowballs chance in hell. Not when we failed to rush any QB. You can't win in the playoffs with a pass rush(or lack of) that we had.
Wasn't Mangini supposed to be a defense guy? He was the defensive backs coach under Belichik... That was probably the worse part of our defense this year.....horrible We were going no where with that D and nowhere with Mangini
Its the job of the head coach to find that consistent QB and get the most out of him. Mangini in 3 seasons as Jet's head coach had a lot of different options at QB and never managed to find the one that would win the big games for him. Chad in 2006 had his worst full season on the field. In 2007 he positively blew chunks. Clemens looked pretty bad in the half season Mangini tried to ride him also. Favre looked mediocre then great, then mediocre, and finally terrible. Anybody who thinks that Mangini was not a big part of the failures of all the QB's he used on the Jets isn't seeing the whole picture. Belichik had similar problems in Cleveland in his first go round there, and then he submerged back to what he was good at, being a DC, for a half decade before getting the Patriot's job and finally finding his Qb. The problem for Mangini is that there's nothing that he's good at to submerge too. Nobody is going to hire him as DC because he wasn't a good DC in his limited opportunities there. That makes his only real option at this point to con somebody into giving him another head coaching job and only a bad franchise, like the Browns, might do that at this point.
Also ? a majority of the game we won were games we completely blew a team out for a quarter or the first half like New England and Arizona?once the other coaches adjusted we were lucky to hold on. I think we scored 72 points on Arizona in the second quarter and won 72 ? 67. Pathetic ?
That seems exaggerated. Unfortunately on this board it's the status quo. If he didn't learn from his mistakes, why was Jenkins our NT and not DRob? Why was Pace signed? Gholston drafted? At one point everyone complained he had underrated the OL. Last offseason he signs an All Pro G. And if he was/is so uninspiring...why'd we go 10-6 in '06? Why'd we play the Pats in Foxboro so well? Why are/were players so shocked and surprised at him being fired? Most of Mangini's knocks have been made up by frustrated fans who just kind of expect a Super Bowl to appear. Oh and last but not least...2007 Giants coaching staff. Thats really all that needs to be said...or it should be if there wasn't such a large anti-Mangini movement here. I don't even get why it's so hard for people to admit he was a decent coach now that he's fired. Theres a million reasons we should've kept Mangini. I can't agree with much of what you wrote. Maybe I'm just not much of a negative guy. This team is worlds better than the team he inhereted...to think that nothing would improve if he stayed is laughable at best. BTW: Know what else made us predictable? 22 INTs from a HOF QB/Savior. Guys not getting to the QB. Jenkins decline. Young players looking like young players (specifically Lowery, who'd get burned and then make a great play later). Put it this way, I think the best thing we can get is a slightly older or more aggressive version of Mangni. Spagnola. Ryan. Schwartz (personal favorite of mine I guess). All DC's looking to be first time HC's. The move was balless, and so stereotypically a Jets move.
A lot of coaches struggle in their first job, and all things considered he didn't struggle that badly. 10-6 rookie year, disastrous second year, and an 8-3 record in his 3rd before his HOF QB shit the bed for 5 games straight. However, his time in NY was definitely up and it was time to go in a new direction.
